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PrakruthiJagadish wrote:
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If triangle ABC is right angled at vertex A, what is the area of triangle ABC?



(1) AB + AC = 8.

(2) The length of the largest side of the triangle is \(5 \sqrt 2\)


1. Why is B not the answer? we can say it is an isosceles right-angled triangle.

2. I am not able to comprehend the solution, how do we arrive at 2(AB)(AC)

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1. Knowing the length of the hypotenuse is not sufficient to get the area.

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Square (1): \((AB)^2 + 2(AB)(AC)+(AC)^2 = 8^2\).

From Pythagoras theorem we know that \((AB)^2 +(AC)^2 = (BC)^2=(5 \sqrt 2)^2=50\).

Substitute \((AB)^2 +(AC)^2 = 50\) into \((AB)^2 + 2(AB)(AC)+(AC)^2 = 8^2\) to get \(50+2(AB)(AC)= 8^2\).

\(50+2(AB)(AC)= 8^2\)

\((AB)(AC)=7\). Sufficient.
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Hi Bunuel,

In these problems, is it wrong to assume that because triangle ABC is a right triangle and its hypotenuse is 5√2, then it's other two sides are 5 and 5? (its a 45,45,90 triangle).

Also, if I think that this (2 sides with a length of 5) could be an option, can I compare these results with the first statement?
Knowing that they don't add up to 8 could be a clue that those values can't be valid. Would this comparison be okay? (considering that statements don't contradict each other)

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Hi Bunuel,

In these problems, is it wrong to assume that because triangle ABC is a right triangle and its hypotenuse is 5√2, then it's other two sides are 5 and 5? (its a 45,45,90 triangle).

Also, if I think that this (2 sides with a length of 5) could be an option, can I compare these results with the first statement?
Knowing that they don't add up to 8 could be a clue that those values can't be valid. Would this comparison be okay? (considering that statements don't contradict each other)

Thanks!


As a rule one shouldn't assume anything on the DS. Why should ABC be isosceles? Is there any single piece of information that supports this? NO!

You are right about the second observation though - if you wrongly assume that ABC is in fact isosceles you could quickly see that it cannot be true because it contradicts the first statement and the statements in DS never contradict each other.
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hi,

can someone pl. confirm if the following relation is true for a right angled trianle:

Median = 0.5 * hypotenuse
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hi,

can someone pl. confirm if the following relation is true for a right angled trianle:

Median = 0.5 * hypotenuse


Yes.

In a right triangle, the median drawn to the hypotenuse has the measure half the hypotenuse.
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Bunuel

I have a query on this question.
I reached to the conclusion that 1 and 2 are not sufficient independently.
However, while combining 1 & 2, I took the below options.

AB+BC=8 can have options many options of value like 1+7, 2+6, 3+5, 4+4.
and as (2) says that Hyp \sqrt{50} then it means that sides AB and BC have to have values whose sum = 8.

So, while solving it, I came across that AB and AC can have all different values. (are we not supposed to take multiple combinations for sum of 8?)
With different values of the sides, there shall be multiple options, and hence I concluded that C is not sufficient and that E is the answer.

Also, I have gone through the OA and OE given by you. That makes sense to my mind.
But I still can't figure where my reasoning went wrong?

Please help and suggest!
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I have a query on this question.
I reached to the conclusion that 1 and 2 are not sufficient independently.
However, while combining 1 & 2, I took the below options.

AB+BC=8 can have options many options of value like 1+7, 2+6, 3+5, 4+4.
and as (2) says that Hyp \sqrt{50} then it means that sides AB and BC have to have values whose sum = 8.

So, while solving it, I came across that AB and AC can have all different values. (are we not supposed to take multiple combinations for sum of 8?)
With different values of the sides, there shall be multiple options, and hence I concluded that C is not sufficient and that E is the answer.

Also, I have gone through the OA and OE given by you. That makes sense to my mind.
But I still can't figure where my reasoning went wrong?

Please help and suggest!


1. From x + y = 8 you cannot assume that the only solutions are the ones you've listed. We are not told that x and y are integers, thus x + y = 8 has infinitely many solutions.

2. We have two equations: x + y = 8 and x^2 + y^2 = 50. If you solve them in conventional way, you'll get that x = 1 and y = 7 OT x = 7 and y = 1. The area is xy/2, so in either way you get the same answer 7/2. In my solution above we were able to get the area without solving the equation, so we took the shortcut way to get the value of xy and not individual values of x and y.

Hope it helps.
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Bunuel wrote:
Ashokshiva wrote:
hi,

can someone pl. confirm if the following relation is true for a right angled trianle:

Median = 0.5 * hypotenuse


Yes.

In a right triangle, the median drawn to the hypotenuse has the measure half the hypotenuse.


Hello Bunuel,

If above property is right then let say AD is median of triangle ABC, with pt. D on line BC. So, area of right angle triangle = 1/2 *AB *AC or 1/2*AD *BC
AD = 0.5 * BC
so, if we know BC we can get AD and so the area of triangle. Hence, option B will be sufficient.

Please, help me in understanding why this approach is wrong and not the correct answer ?

Thanks,
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Aparna_4 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Ashokshiva wrote:
hi,

can someone pl. confirm if the following relation is true for a right angled trianle:

Median = 0.5 * hypotenuse


Yes.

In a right triangle, the median drawn to the hypotenuse has the measure half the hypotenuse.


Hello Bunuel,

If above property is right then let say AD is median of triangle ABC, with pt. D on line BC. So, area of right angle triangle = 1/2 *AB *AC or 1/2*AD *BC
AD = 0.5 * BC
so, if we know BC we can get AD and so the area of triangle. Hence, option B will be sufficient.

Please, help me in understanding why this approach is wrong and not the correct answer ?

Thanks,
Aparna


The red part is not correct.

1/2*AD *BC means 1/2*(median)*(hypotenuse) it should be 1/2*(height to hypotenuse)*(hypotenuse). In a right triangle, the median and the height to hypotenuse coincide only when the right triangle is also an isosceles triangle. So, we can get the area of a right triangle by knowing the hypotenuse only if the right triangle is also an isosceles triangle (which is not the case for the question at hand).

Hope it's clear.
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