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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2010, 07:35
At first glance, I also picked up A as an answer. Though, the trick here is to understand the fine difference between a line and plane and related peculiarities of both. :shock: I must remember it now! Thanks for posting such a nice question. :wink:
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 16 Oct 2010, 05:40
Just wanted to be sure :
If it was specified that A,B and C are distinct points in a plane, would answer A be sufficient?

Also, if mentioned that A,B and C forms a triangle, I am sure answer A is sufficient.

Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding.
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2011, 05:52
hmm, my way of thinking is below-

stm 1 -no info about AB
stm 2- insuf info

mix of stm 1 and stm 2-
AC + BC = 10 let AC equal 9 (max possible value)
then AB + AC> 10 AB +9>10 AB >1 (it could be 5 or 15,so insuf )

AC + BC = 10 let AC equal 1 (min possible value)
then AB + AC> 10 AB +1>10 AB >9 (it could be 10 or 15 ,so insuf)

answ is E
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2011, 06:53
My initial response was A based on properties of triangles. Then E because the points could be a straight line. Duh! Tricky GMAT, tricky!
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2011, 07:35
good question. statements not sufficient
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2011, 16:15
tough question..but can't figure out whether points can form a triangle or colinear & even it didn't say whether all points are distinct. answer is E
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2011, 07:13
Let the three points be anywhere. Since it is not mentioned that it is a triangle therefore we cannot use only Statement 1
using Statement 1 and 2
AB > AC
and AB > 10 -BC
the second is more interesting as we can start by having A,B and C in a straight line and as we move point B (or C, or A) we get various values of a triangle with values like
AB > 10, AB>9 AB>8... so forth which makes both statements not sufficient
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2011, 10:41
difficult question , still cant get to the answer though
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 17 Sep 2011, 20:15
I got B as answer...
My logic was

AB + AC> 10
hence AB > (10- AC)

Since A, B and C are three different point, AB, BC,and AC are all positive values.
so AC will have a value defines as 0 < AC < 10.
because if AC> 10, AB becomes negative.
SO this inturn gives the value of AB as : 10 > AB > 0.
So AB is less than 10.

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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 17 Sep 2011, 20:44
Depaulian wrote:
I got B as answer...
My logic was

AB + AC> 10
hence AB > (10- AC)

Since A, B and C are three different point, AB, BC,and AC are all positive values.
so AC will have a value defines as 0 < AC < 10.
because if AC> 10, AB becomes negative.
SO this inturn gives the value of AB as : 10 > AB > 0.
So AB is less than 10.

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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 20 Nov 2011, 23:06
both are insufficient ..E
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 06 Sep 2012, 21:21
Orange08 wrote:
Just wanted to be sure :
If it was specified that A,B and C are distinct points in a plane, would answer A be sufficient?

Also, if mentioned that A,B and C forms a triangle, I am sure answer A is sufficient.

Please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding.

Yes. You are right then!
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 05:10
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A , B , and C are points on the plane. Is AB \lt 10 ?

1. AC + BC = 10
2. AB + AC \gt 10

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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 05:37
OMG

I 'm wondering where you were Bunuel :roll:
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 05:39
Could not understand the question

None of he options seem interesting

Choose E! - strategic guess
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 05:59
It's a tough question because I got to the point where it was between C and E. I didn't know what cases to choose to rule out C convincingly.

This is my attempt at a methodical approach or ruling out answers.

Lets take two cases:
1) Where C is in between A and B

--A-----------------C-------------------B-----
----------4-----------------6------------------

AC+BC = 10 YES
AB+AC>10 YES
AB<10?? NO

2) Where C is outside of A and B

--A-----------------B-------------------C-----
----------2-----------------4------------------

AC+BC = 10 YES
AB+AC>10 NO
AB<10?? YES

But this case is invalid because in this case :AB+AC>10 NO

2) Where C is outside of A and B

--A-----------------B-------------------C-----
----------2-----------------8------------------

AC+BC = 10 YES
AB+AC>10 YES
AB<10?? YES


Choose E and move on.
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 06:23
E is the answer.

(1) does not give any relation about AB at all
(2) gives vague information about AB as we donot know about AC

so AD and B are not the answers
C .. when combined also we cannot land on a perfect solution, so C is also not the choice.

Hence E.
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 09:57
Answer:E

Because the points are on plane so they can be anywhere .
Look at the scenario when the points are in line A____C____B
in that case

If AC + BC =10 then AB =10 which is not less than 10
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Re: m9 q34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 10:03
the answer is E, and a quick dirty way to do it is by plugging in numbers. First thing to note is that it the original question does not say A B or C are distinct, implying that A could equal B and so on. Also, the way the equations are set up it is just easier to think about the points as numbers.

so is stmt 1 enough?
AC + BC = 10. plug in A=2, B=0, C=5
in this case AB<10
now plug in A = 5, B =5, C=1
in this case AB>10.
Therefore stmnt 1 is not enough.

is stmt 2 enough?
AB +AC >10
A = 11, B = 1, C = 1 and AB >10
A = 1, B = 1, C =10 and AB<10
therefore stmnt 2 is not enough

Together?
AC + BC = 10 and AB+AC>10
A=3, B = 2, C =2 and AB<10
A=18, B = 2, C =.5 and AB>10

therefore together not enough
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Re: M09 #34 [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2012, 10:22
matt3030 wrote:
Interesting. I assume that if the question prompt was something like "A, B and C are distinct points on a plane" that the answer would be (a)?


I assume, irrespective of points are distinct or not, the ans is E

The ans is A only if it is given that the 3 points don't lie on the same line.
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