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Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
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Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B can complete the same job in y hours. If A and B work together at their respective rates to complete the job, which of the following represents the fraction of the job that B will not have to complete because of A's help?

A. (x – y)/(x + y) B. x/(y–x) C. (x+y)/xy D. y/(x-y) E. y/(x+y)

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27 Jan 2012, 16:20

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docabuzar wrote:

Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B can complete the same job in y hours. If A and B work together at their respective rates to complete the job, which of the following represents the fraction of the job that B will not have to complete because of A's help?

A. (x – y)/(x + y) B. x/(y–x) C. (x+y)/xy D. y/(x-y) E. y/(x+y)

Working together A and B complete the job in \(\frac{xy}{x+y}\) hours (as time is a reciprocal of rate then take the reciprocal of combined rate, which is \(\frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y}=\frac{x+y}{xy}\));

Now, in \(\frac{xy}{x+y}\) hours A will complete \(\frac{1}{x}*\frac{xy}{x+y}=\frac{y}{x+y}\) part of the job (rate*time=job) and this will be the part which B will not have to complete.

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
24 Jun 2012, 18:55

Hi Bunuel,

Can you help me understand that when we want to calculate the work just done by A and not B of the total work which in this case we assume it as 1. Then why do we multiply the rate of only A with the total time?

I can't get my head around this concept. Is it one of those things that I just accept and move on.

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
24 Jun 2012, 21:11

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Take an example to understand it. A takes 2 hrs (= x) to complete a work alone and B takes 2 hrs (= y) to complete a work alone. Together, they will complete the work in 1 hr = [xy/(x+y) = 2*2/(2+2)] So A does 1/2 of the work in 1 hr (A's rate of work) and B does 1/2 of the work in 1 hr (B's rate of work).

So when they were working together, each needed to work for only 1 hr. How much work was done by A in that one hr? 1*(1/2) = (1/2) So because of A's help, B doesn't need to do half of the work i.e. work done by A. _________________

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
19 Sep 2012, 16:21

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My solution might be very simple:

If we pick numbers like x = 3hrs and y = 4hrs then it takes 7hrs to complete two units for both of them. (We can use two units because we are looking for fractional work, not a total quantity #). If it takes 7hrs between the two of them then Ma does 3/7 or the work and Mb does 4/7 of the work. This means that Mb is not doing 3/7 of the work and you can plug in your answer choices to find out which one gives you x=3, y=4 -> 3/7

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
15 Nov 2012, 00:45

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

Take an example to understand it. A takes 2 hrs (= x) to complete a work alone and B takes 2 hrs (= y) to complete a work alone. Together, they will complete the work in 1 hr = [xy/(x+y) = 2*2/(2+2)] So A does 1/2 of the work in 1 hr (A's rate of work) and B does 1/2 of the work in 1 hr (B's rate of work).

So when they were working together, each needed to work for only 1 hr. How much work was done by A in that one hr? 1*(1/2) = (1/2) So because of A's help, B doesn't need to do half of the work i.e. work done by A.

This explanation is vague since you picked 1/2. We cannot see how it works because it does not matter what you do with x and y it's around 1/2. I see that formula is absolutely correct but don't understand why if the value of 1/x is 2/6 and 1/y is 3/6, the portion which y should not do comes out as 3/5 not 2/5.

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
15 Nov 2012, 02:03

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felixjkz wrote:

This explanation is vague since you picked 1/2. We cannot see how it works because it does not matter what you do with x and y it's around 1/2. I see that formula is absolutely correct but don't understand why if the value of 1/x is 2/6 and 1/y is 3/6, the portion which y should not do comes out as 3/5 not 2/5.

The explanation was meant for saswani who had trouble understanding "Then why do we multiply the rate of only A with the total time?" It doesn't matter what the numbers are - as long as they are easy to work with - you can make out what's going on.

As for your question "why if the value of 1/x is 2/6 and 1/y is 3/6, the portion which y should not do comes out as 3/5 not 2/5."

If x = 3 and y = 2, A does 1/3rd work in 1 hr and B does 1/2 work in 1 hr. When they work together, they complete the work in 1/(1/2 + 1/3) = 6/5 hrs

In 6/5 hrs, A does (1/3)*(6/5) = 2/5 work and B does (1/2)*(6/5) = 3/5 work

So B does NOT need to do 2/5 of the work. Answer still (E). _________________

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
07 Jan 2013, 03:09

Can someone please explain the formula xy / x+y to state the work done together. I thought I had a well understanding of this concept, however when I saw this question, I lost it completely. Thanks in advance

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
07 Jan 2013, 03:22

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The amount of work that A can do in 1 hour ( or the rate at which A works ) is 1/x, since A takes x hours to complete the whole work. Similarly the amount of work that B can do in 1 hour is 1/y. Now, total work that they can do, when working together, in one hour is 1/x + 1/y. You can also write it as 1/W = 1/x + 1/y = (x + y ) / xy. 1/W is the rate at which they are working. Hence, to complete the total work they need xy / (x + y) hours. Please let me know if anything is not clear.

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
07 Jan 2013, 03:25

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KevinBrink wrote:

Can someone please explain the formula xy / x+y to state the work done together. I thought I had a well understanding of this concept, however when I saw this question, I lost it completely. Thanks in advance

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
07 Jan 2013, 03:57

Iam really confused right now, I understand everything completely except for this essential part. I went through the stuff you told me Bunuel and I understand everything stated in there. But how do you come from 1/x + 1/y --> (x+y) / xy??? Thanks in advance

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
07 Jan 2013, 04:10

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KevinBrink wrote:

Iam really confused right now, I understand everything completely except for this essential part. I went through the stuff you told me Bunuel and I understand everything stated in there. But how do you come from 1/x + 1/y --> (x+y) / xy??? Thanks in advance

You mean you don't get how 1/x + 1/y equals to (x+y)/xy?

The same way as \(\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{3}=\frac{3+2}{2*3}=\frac{5}{6}\). _________________

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
07 Jan 2013, 04:14

Thanks, thanks, thanks!!!! Iam just not that good at re-rewriting mathematical stuff with variables. But with the numerical example I understand it completely. Thank your very much!

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
16 Apr 2014, 01:26

(1/x) of the work is completed by Machine A in one hour. (1/y) of the work is completed by Machine B in one hour. Combined rate(one hour) is 1/x + 1/y = (x+y/xy). fraction of the job that B will not have to complete because of A's help? (1/x) of the work will be completed by A. As we are asked about fraction , (1/x) / (x+y/xy) = (y/x+y). Hence E

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
17 Sep 2015, 00:49

I used the following approach but was not able to proceed, could somebody tell me how/whether we can solve further to get the answer A = 2 hrs (x), B = 4 hrs(y). A+B = 4/3 hrs.

If B alone is working, it takes 4 hrs. But both working, B has to work only for 4/3 hours. So B does not work for 4 hrs - 4/3 hrs = 8/3 hours.

I then thought that B did not have to work for 8/3 hours since A pitched in. So 8/3 hours multiplied by A's rate (1/2)...gives 4/3..

But none of the options give this value. Any reason this approach does not work?...could somebody pls help.

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
17 Sep 2015, 21:26

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Success2015 wrote:

I used the following approach but was not able to proceed, could somebody tell me how/whether we can solve further to get the answer A = 2 hrs (x), B = 4 hrs(y). A+B = 4/3 hrs.

If B alone is working, it takes 4 hrs. But both working, B has to work only for 4/3 hours. So B does not work for 4 hrs - 4/3 hrs = 8/3 hours.

I then thought that B did not have to work for 8/3 hours since A pitched in. So 8/3 hours multiplied by A's rate (1/2)...gives 4/3..

But none of the options give this value. Any reason this approach does not work?...could somebody pls help.

B did not have to work for 8/3 hrs because A pitched in - great. So what was the work that B would have done in this 8/3 hrs? Work = Rate*Time = (1/4)*(8/3) = 2/3 (it has to be B's rate) Option (E) gives you 2/3. So B did not have to do 2/3rd of the work. _________________

Re: Machine A can complete a certain job in x hours. Machine B [#permalink]
18 Sep 2015, 09:15

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

Success2015 wrote:

I used the following approach but was not able to proceed, could somebody tell me how/whether we can solve further to get the answer A = 2 hrs (x), B = 4 hrs(y). A+B = 4/3 hrs.

If B alone is working, it takes 4 hrs. But both working, B has to work only for 4/3 hours. So B does not work for 4 hrs - 4/3 hrs = 8/3 hours.

I then thought that B did not have to work for 8/3 hours since A pitched in. So 8/3 hours multiplied by A's rate (1/2)...gives 4/3..

But none of the options give this value. Any reason this approach does not work?...could somebody pls help.

B did not have to work for 8/3 hrs because A pitched in - great. So what was the work that B would have done in this 8/3 hrs? Work = Rate*Time = (1/4)*(8/3) = 2/3 (it has to be B's rate) Option (E) gives you 2/3. So B did not have to do 2/3rd of the work.

VeritasPrepKarishma Thank you. You helped me understand where I was going wrong.

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