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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

D. empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

Choice D is incorrect for two reasons.
1. The first error is a parallelism error. This sentence has two markers “either… or…”. What follows the first marker must follow the second marker also. Here “either” is followed by “fashioned from…” while “or” is followed by “from…”. So the first marker is followed by a verb-ed modifier while the second marker is followed by prepositional phrase. This leads to the parallelism error in this sentence. Note that “fashioned” cannot be taken for understood here. It has to be mentioned to maintain the parallelism.
2. This sentence has “and”. The independent clause before “and” has “Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India” as the subject and “date” as the verb. They agree in number as well as make sense with each other. However, the clause after “and” verb. The subject for the clause following “and” remains the same. We have “fashioned” here which is not a verb.
Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from Gandharan grey schist.

If “fashioned” is the verb in this sentence, then the sentence will means that the “images of deity” fashioned something which is illogical. From the sentence, we know that these deities were made of either spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan schist.

Notice that this sentence should be written in passive voice to convey this meaning. So we need a helping verb before “fashioned” to make it a passive verb.

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from Gandharan grey schist.

Choice E corrects this error where the first part of the sentence is in active voice while the second one is in passive.

Hope this helps.

How the word "date" is a verb in the SC?

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04 May 2013, 18:13
Oh can you please go through this link and you may become clear about the verb date.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/date

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06 Sep 2013, 19:41
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Given : Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the
Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan
grey schist.

Simplifying the given sentence:
May of the deities date from the time of X empire, fashioned either from A or B.

If we understand basic meaning of the sentence, we will realize that not the kushan empire but the deities are fashioned from something.

So, the right sentence is:
May of the deities date from the time of X empire and fashioned either from A or from B.

A. empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
B. empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
C. empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
D. empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
E. empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from - Correct

Excellent explanation, Can some one explain me why the use of and was necessary?
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the
Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan
grey schist.
A. empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
B. empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
C. empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
D. empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
E. empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

The past participle "fashioned" in A and B is a bit ambiguous in my opinion. Does it refer to the empire or the images?

Also with A: "Mathura or...Gandharan" is not parallel to "from the... of Mathura" we need a from after or, so A is gone

B) "from either" is weird, it implies that something was fashioned from either of the two, which implies that it could be fashioned from both. "either" means "at least one of them" in this context. "Either from" on the other hand, correctly implies that it was taken either from x OR from y. Also, the "or" later on doesn't make sense with what this option says right now. "We can drink water from either OF the wells" is correct, however "we can drink water from either the left OR the right well" is incorrect. So B is gone

C) the ", either fashioned" portion looks weird. What does fashioned modify? empire, or images? Also it just feels like the option is screaming for a "which", this would require a "was/were" for the past participle otherwise we do not have correct s-v agreement. But we have images and we have empire, so which of the "was/were" would be correct? Also, the parallel structure is wrong, we need a "from" after the last "or". In other words, this option is a complete mess. C is gone

D) did the images do the fashioning? That's what this option implies. Plus, the "from" indicate that the images fashioned FROM those locations. The meaning is completely distorted in this option, D is gone.

E) the "were" corrects the ambiguity, we now know that the images themselves did not fashion anything, they themselves WERE fashioned. We have a "either..or" structure and for correct parallelism, we need "from" in both x and y. We have that, so E is correct.
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05 May 2014, 17:58

Can you please explain a nagging issue:

1) If there is a comma separating two clauses, don't the two clauses need some sort of coordinating conjunction such as "and or but" and don't the two clauses need to be independent?

2) I eliminated A and B because the second part of the clause because it's not independent. Was that wrong?

3) What is the general rule when we have a comma with a coordinating conjunction. Conversely, what is the general rule when we have a comma without a coordinating conjunction?

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it is simple "Either X or Y '

X and Y should be same form and structure
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"Th e sentence makes two claims about the earliest
known images of Hindu deities in India: Th ey
date from the Kushan Empire, and they are made
from sandstone or schist. Th e clearest, most
eff ective way to incorporate these two claims into
a single sentence is to provide two parallel
predicates for the single subject, the earliest known
images of Hindu deities in India. Th e two options of
media, presented as either/or choices, must also be
given in parallel structure: either from … or from …
or from either … or. …

A Placement of the modifi er fashioned …
suggests that the Empire (the closest noun),
not the images of the deities, was fashioned
out of these materials; to parallel either from,
the preposition from should also follow or.
B Parallelism requires that either precede the
fi rst appearance of from or that the second
appearance of from be eliminated.
C As in A and B, the placement of the
modifi er after Empire is misleading;
parallelism requires that the phrase
fashioned from, or another comparable
D Parallelism requires that a verb follow or,
since a verb follows either.
E Correct. Two verbs, date and were fashioned,
introduce parallel predicates for the subject,
earliest known images; the choices of media
are correctly presented with the structure
either from … or from.
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Can you please explain a nagging issue:

1) If there is a comma separating two clauses, don't the two clauses need some sort of coordinating conjunction such as "and or but" and don't the two clauses need to be independent?

2) I eliminated A and B because the second part of the clause because it's not independent. Was that wrong?

3) What is the general rule when we have a comma with a coordinating conjunction. Conversely, what is the general rule when we have a comma without a coordinating conjunction?

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Hi russ9,

I apologize for reverting so late. But then better late than never.

Let's clarify all your doubts now.

1) Yes, your understanding is correct. Only a Comma CANNOT join two Independent Clause (IC). We need Comma + FANBOYS to join two ICs. These FANBOYS are called coordinating conjunctions.

2) I am afraid you did not eliminate Choices A and B for the right reasons. We CANNOT have ICs after comma. That will lead to incorrect sentence structure as only Comma will be joining two ICS. This is not possible. In Choices A, B, and C, modification of "fashioned" is not correct. The Verb-ed Modifiers in GMAT modifies the preceding Noun Entity. Here the preceding Noun Entity is "the Kushan Empire". Now this modification does not make sense because according to the intended meaning, the Empire was not made up of the mentioned material. The earliest known images were made of these materials.

3) Again, to reiterate, Comm + FANBOYS join only two ICs. Just a Comma can join an Independent Clause and a Dependent Clause.

Hope this helps.
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21 Jul 2014, 19:11
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27 Jul 2014, 07:59
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

D. empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

Choice D is incorrect for two reasons.
1. The first error is a parallelism error. This sentence has two markers “either… or…”. What follows the first marker must follow the second marker also. Here “either” is followed by “fashioned from…” while “or” is followed by “from…”. So the first marker is followed by a verb-ed modifier while the second marker is followed by prepositional phrase. This leads to the parallelism error in this sentence. Note that “fashioned” cannot be taken for understood here. It has to be mentioned to maintain the parallelism.
2. This sentence has “and”. The independent clause before “and” has “Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India” as the subject and “date” as the verb. They agree in number as well as make sense with each other. However, the clause after “and” verb. The subject for the clause following “and” remains the same. We have “fashioned” here which is not a verb.
Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from Gandharan grey schist.

If “fashioned” is the verb in this sentence, then the sentence will means that the “images of deity” fashioned something which is illogical. From the sentence, we know that these deities were made of either spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan schist.

Notice that this sentence should be written in passive voice to convey this meaning. So we need a helping verb before “fashioned” to make it a passive verb.

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from Gandharan grey schist.

Choice E corrects this error where the first part of the sentence is in active voice while the second one is in passive.

Hope this helps.

Good explanation

I am confused,
why can't we just regard the "fashioned either from the ...." as an adverbial modifier which modifies "known imagines " ?
Is the sentence make a sense If we reorganize it into "fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist, many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan Empire. "

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Good explanation

I am confused,
why can't we just regard the "fashioned either from the ...." as an adverbial modifier which modifies "known imagines " ?
Is the sentence make a sense If we reorganize it into "fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist, many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan Empire. "

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Hi ZoeHu,

Thanks very much for your appreciation.

Any Verb-ed Modifier such as "fashioned" in this case is ALWAYS a Noun Modifier that modifies the preceding Noun Entity. If there is Verb between the Noun Entity intended to be modified and the Verb-ed Modifier, then this Verb-ed Modifier CANNOT jump over the Verb to modify that Noun Entity.

Hence, it is NOT possible for the Verb-ed Modifier "fashioned" to jump over the Verb "date" to modify "images".

However, we can certainly place this modifier, as you have suggested, in the beginning of the sentence. In that case, this Verb-ed Modifier will correctly modifiy the SUbject of the main clause "Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities". The sentence can be rewritten as:

Fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from Gandharan grey schist, many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the
Kushan empire.

Hope this helps.
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the
Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan
grey schist.
A. empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or -
B. empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from - from either & from not parallel
C. empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or - not parallel
D. empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from - wrong meaning
E. empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
- use of were , parallel from
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14 Mar 2015, 04:10
Nice question. Either ... or usage. Parallelism wins.
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10 May 2015, 06:44
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the
Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan
grey schist.
A. empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
B. empire, fashioned from either the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
C. empire, either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or
D. empire and either fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from
E. empire and were fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or from

fashioned is a past participle,it cannot stand alone as a verb so all the other options except E are ruled out.

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16 Apr 2016, 05:43
hi egmat, I just went through the egmat file on: "VERB-ED MODIFIERS CANNOT JUMP OVER VERBS" that took this question as an example. I would just like to understand something:
since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?
In other words should " comma + Verb ED modifiers" be treated as "comma + relative pronoun modifiers" are?
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hi egmat, I just went through the egmat file on: "VERB-ED MODIFIERS CANNOT JUMP OVER VERBS" that took this question as an example. I would just like to understand something:
since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?
In other words should " comma + Verb ED modifiers" be treated as "comma + relative pronoun modifiers" are?
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Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

I would suggest to keep things simple: All modifiers except present participle modifiers ( -ing) would in most cases follow the "touch rule" - that the modifier touches the noun it modifies. However it is also important to keep a note of the exception to the touch rule ( Manhattan SC guide provides a superb gist of the exceptions).

Keeping the above in mind, what you have suggested - something close to that a past participle modifier and a relative clause modifier follow the touch rule - is generally correct.
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Icecream87 wrote:
hi egmat, I just went through the egmat file on: "VERB-ED MODIFIERS CANNOT JUMP OVER VERBS" that took this question as an example. I would just like to understand something:
since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?
In other words should " comma + Verb ED modifiers" be treated as "comma + relative pronoun modifiers" are?
thank you!!!

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities in India date from the time of the Kushan empire, fashioned either from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

I would suggest to keep things simple: All modifiers except present participle modifiers ( -ing) would in most cases follow the "touch rule" - that the modifier touches the noun it modifies. However it is also important to keep a note of the exception to the touch rule ( Manhattan SC guide provides a superb gist of the exceptions).

Keeping the above in mind, what you have suggested - something close to that a past participle modifier and a relative clause modifier follow the touch rule - is generally correct.

Thanks again sayantanc2k,

I am probably overthinking this. But with my exam in less that a week, I am really trying to nail this verbal concepts that I have so many issues with (MODIFIERS!!!)... By the way that 47 of yours is quite palatable. One can only dream
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since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?

Hi Icecream87, the past participle phrase here (fashioned...) is not intended to modify either Kushan empire or time.

It is intended to modify images of Hindu deities, since these images were fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

In fact, if you look at the correct option (option E), it makes it very clear:

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities date...and were fashioned...

So, for the verb were, the subject is images of Hindu deities. So, we know that the images of Hindu deities were fashioned.

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Icecream87 wrote:
since the of-prep " of the Kushan empire" modifies TIME, can we then say that "fashioned" modifies TIME more than it does EMPIRE?

Hi Icecream87, the past participle phrase here (fashioned...) is not intended to modify either Kushan empire or time.

It is intended to modify images of Hindu deities, since these images were fashioned from the spotted sandstone of Mathura or Gandharan grey schist.

In fact, if you look at the correct option (option E), it makes it very clear:

Many of the earliest known images of Hindu deities date...and were fashioned...

So, for the verb were, the subject is images of Hindu deities. So, we know that the images of Hindu deities were fashioned.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses these participial modifiers, their application and examples in significant detail. In fact, this sentence is given as an example in that section. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id, I can mail the corresponding section.

Hi EducationAisle,

Thanks for answering. I get why this sentence is wrong. I was however trying to understand if that bold part in the sentence would be correct if fashioned was intended to modify time

for instance:
The boutique in Paris, whose owner was robbed is closed.
in Paris correctly modifies boutique so the placement of whose is accepted

But if the sentence was as follows, would it still be correct?
The boutique in Paris, colored red is closed.
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But if the sentence was as follows, would it still be correct?
The boutique in Paris, colored red is closed.

Yes. Following is an officially correct sentence:

Fossils of the arm of a sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth the earliest known mammal on the Greater Antilles islands.

The past participle found modifies fossils and not sloth.
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