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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 30 Apr 2010, 06:39
i picked (B) but realized it is wrong after reading achin's explanation.
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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2010, 00:00
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OA please ....

OA is C.
It is a question from OG12th ed.
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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2010, 09:17
AM still puzzled as per the antecedent of "it" as used in the sentence:

"instead, it..." The explanation in OG12 says, "the pronoun 'it' positioned as the subject of the
final verb 'has become' refers back to 'radio'..."

Please any reason or rule of thumb why "it" could refer to radio unambiguously?
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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2010, 10:28
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become ----> There is a rule in grammar which says that pronoun in the subject position of clause 2 can refer to it (radio in clause 1). it cannot be used for "Marconi"

E.g Jim is working harder than Jack, as he wants the scholarship. ----> he refers to Jim (not Jack)

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AM still puzzled as per the antecedent of "it" as used in the sentence:

"instead, it..." The explanation in OG12 says, "the pronoun 'it' positioned as the subject of the
final verb 'has become' refers back to 'radio'..."

Please any reason or rule of thumb why "it" could refer to radio unambiguously?

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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2010, 16:29
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,


C for me. "it" correctly refers to the subject of the sentense which is radio.
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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2010, 11:50
A, B out for wrong modifier.
D, E out for unidiomatic (conceived to be).

So, clear C.
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Re: SC: Marconi's conception [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2010, 00:28
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,


In (c) "Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become"
What "does that could substitute for the telephone" modify?
Does not "that" modify the moun preceding it?
Please clarify
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Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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Re: Rhetorical construction; logical predication [#permalink] New post 25 Oct 2010, 23:01
If anyone answers C, could you please explain the use of that and it?

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

Aren't noun modifiers such as which and that(when that is used to modify a noun) supposed to be placed right next to the noun they are modifying? I can see that 'that' is modifying radio from the context of the sentence, but I want to know more about the rules governing exceptions like this one.

I know that when two clauses are connected by a conjunction, you can use a pronoun to refer back to the subject of the first clause. In this case, Marconi is the subject which can not be represented by the pronoun it, so you may assume it is referring to radio. I remember running into several questions that are very unforgiving about the use of pronoun like this, so I am a bit puzzled about the use of it here. I don't recall any from top of my head, but I will post them if I come across another.

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D and E gone because of wrong idiom, -conceived of to be -

A gone because of -conception of as -

B is gone because of very ambiguous reference of - which - . -Which - should point to the radio as per the essence of the passage, but here, seems to point to the telephone or the conversation or a tool, every thing other than the radio.

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If anyone answers C, could you please explain the use of that and it?

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become


conceived of X as Y- correct idiom. => only C and B are contenders.

Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become

radio as a tool that could substitute for the telephone -> this is the correct usage. But we may insert 'for private conversation' as a mission critical modifier. Read MGMAT SC advance chapters for this.

"It is used for radio". You can not use "it" for either tool or telephone.

Do not consider the pronoun ambiguity a hard and fast rule for the elimination.

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Re: Rhetorical construction; logical predication [#permalink] New post 25 Oct 2010, 23:48
Straight C because of the Idiomatic usage of 'Concieved'
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Does the pronoun modifier - that - always have to modify the noun just before it?

I like ground coffee from India that is very enticing

I believe this sentence to be correct although India may not be very enticing.

Should a pronoun always refer to the subject of the earlier sentence? Not necessarily, It may also stand for the object.

Last week the mail order company sent me a book on grammar; unfortunately it contained anything but grammar.

In this sentence, what does the - it - refer to? The mail- order company? Nay, far from it;

I believe that context is also in contention and not the structure alone.
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Re: Rhetorical construction; logical predication [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 12:48
Thanks Daagh and gurpreetsingh. SC gets more interesting as I dig deeper. : p

You guys are absolutely right about these two issues.
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Can someone explain this using elimination in detail?

Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,
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Re: Marconi [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2011, 23:11
In the above sentence, Conceived is used as a participle or as a verb?
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Re: Marconi [#permalink] New post 26 Jun 2011, 23:13
aielman wrote:
In the above sentence, Conceived is used as a participle or as a verb?


Yes, I had the same question...
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Re: Marconi [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2011, 02:33
Verb - with Marconi as the subject.
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Re: Marconi [#permalink] New post 27 Jun 2011, 10:06
Choice C!

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Re: Marconi [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2011, 01:09
Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi's conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is - sentence reads like this "instead it is a tool for communicating with a large ..." <-Read this carefully, the sense is not clear.
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is <- We need a subject after But. Which is not a substitute.
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become - sentence reads like this "instead it has become a tool for communicating with a large ..." <- This makes clear meaning
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become <-This which wrongly refers to Telephone.
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is, <- ackward
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