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Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car, and this is the reason he was so sad in class today.

a) and this is the reason
b) and this being a good reason why
c) which is the reason why
d) because that is the reason why
e) and it is the well known reason

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doesn't "which" 'touch' the noun, car --- should it not be A?
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A is wrong because "this" is ambiguous, not sure what it refers to
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New post 06 Nov 2010, 08:15
Thanks shrouded. According to the GMAC the rule for using "which" is that it should follow a "clear antecedent" --- See, Q. 79 SC (Purple GMAC Book, Verbal Review 2nd ed.)

can anyone please give me a rule of thumb to check what makes for a "clear antecedent" for GMAT purposes?

For purposes of Q. 79 (Purple Book), according to the GMAC, the word "million" may possibly link up with "which" and result in lack of clarity and therefore we can't use "which" in that sentence. But there is no explanation for why that is so? I can equally take the view that "which" can't be referring back to "million" --- you can have that kind of subjective lack of clarity with pretty much any sentence where you have a noun followed by a comma and then "which"...
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There was another problem where which was used to refer back to an event or a whole idea.

This is a pdf file on the use of which from a college I never heard of.

http://www.jalc.edu/departmentpages/eng ... _which.pdf

Which.
As a pronoun to refer back to one single noun or to a whole idea:
a. Referring to one single word:
A week ago I bought a cashmere sweater which cost $150.
(The word which is “re-naming” the sweater.)

b. Referring to a whole idea or phrase:
In 2005, we took a vacation to Walt Disney World, which helped to bond our family members together.
(The word which is referring to the taking of the family vacation.)

To be honest, I'm not too firm on this concept either.
MGMAT SC says that 'which' can modify only nouns and noun phrases, so I am confused.

If anyone can add to this, please do.
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Sorry if this is a late reply..

I think answer should be A because in C - "reason why" seems redundant and "which" modifies the car.

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I think that in some cases "which" can refer to a whole idea or phrase.
I even remember explanations by Ron Purewal, famous Manhattan GMAT Tutor, who confirmed that this usage is possible if it does not distort the meaning of the sentence.

Generally, try to avoid "this, there" in answer choices, because such words are ambiguous.
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For A to be an option , shouldnt it be "that is the reason ...
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without the comma ...
So C
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This seems to be confusing to me .

I always thought that which would refer to the noun preceding it and not the clause. Almost all the sources listed the same.

Why is this question different?
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I have also read that reason why is redundant on GMAT. Thus, I rejected C.

Am I missing anything?

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Friends.... Can 'He' refer Mr Kindle?
I think this is not possible as the original sentence says Mr Kindle's dog.
Please help to understand.
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Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car, and this is the reason he was so sad in class today.

a) and this is the reason
b) and this being a good reason why
c) which is the reason why
d) because that is the reason why
e) and it is the well known reason

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doesn't "which" 'touch' the noun, car --- should it not be A?



The only answer choice that can be correct is A or E as "reason why" is redundant and this is the rule engraved on GMAT SC's Walls so no argument on that.
Next, between A and E, clearly A is the better one so even if the OA is C i will still go with A.
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Why is option C correct,is WHICH not referring to the car ?
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Friends.... Can 'He' refer Mr Kindle?
I think this is not possible as the original sentence says Mr Kindle's dog.
Please help to understand.



I agree.
'He' cannot logically refer to Mr. Kindle's dog. I think the question is flawed.
Can you please provide the source of this question?
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Friends.... Can 'He' refer Mr Kindle?
I think this is not possible as the original sentence says Mr Kindle's dog.
Please help to understand.





If you look at the question stem, he is not underlined. Any option you select, you will have to live with he. The bone of contention is why which is correct.

which could refer to the preceding noun but here OE says it refers to the clause.


Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car, and this is the reason he was so sad in class today.

a) and this is the reason
b) and this being a good reason why
c) which is the reason why
d) because that is the reason why
e) and it is the well known reason
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I can see two errors in the option C:

1. The relative "which" cannot refer to an entire clause.
2. "Reason why" is a SUSPECT (as per Manhattan SC guide) - "reason that" is the correct usage.

The correct sentence should be:
Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car, the reason that he was so sad in class today.

The absolute phrase modifier ("the reason that he was so sad in class today") can refer to an entire clause.
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Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car, and this is the reason he was so sad in class today.

a) and this is the reason
b) and this being a good reason why
c) which is the reason why
d) because that is the reason why
e) and it is the well known reason

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doesn't "which" 'touch' the noun, car --- should it not be A?


I will throw my two cent into the discussion.
OPTION B,D,E are absolutely rubbish. That's for sure
Option A and C are the only possible answers.

C is the absolute CORRECT ANSWER as per my thinking which relies on the use of comma + conjunction "AND" when dealing with two clauses.
I am sure sayantanc2k daagh will be able to confirm it after reading my answer

A is almost correct but WRONG for the presence of "Comma". This sentence has one independent clauses "Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car" and another dependent clause "this is the reason he was so sad in class today".These are joined by the conjunction "AND"
Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car, AND this is the reason he was so sad in class today.

Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car=INDEPENDENT CLAUSE
AND = Conjunction
This is the reason[/u] he was so sad in class today = DEPENDENT CLAUSE

As you can see that both clauses has two different subjects (also called compound subjects) :- DOG and HE (Mr. Kindle)

NOW THERE IS A LESSER KNOWN RULE ABOUT COMMAS :- "Comma" cannot be used with the conjunction "AND" when "AND" is used to connect two clauses with compound subjects or single subjects.

OPTION A is using a COMMA as well as the conjunction "AND". Thus it is incorrect.
For example this is incorrect:- Julia slipped on the banana peel, and her books fell in the nearby drain. ---> INCORRECT

OPTION C tackles this problem by removing comma as well as "AND". Option C rather uses "WHICH"

"Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car WHICH is the reason why he was so sad in the class today

"Mr. Kindle’s dog was hit by a car" can also be seen as an adjective phrase that describes a dog

Who ? = Dog

Whose dog ? --> Mr Kindle's Dog,

What dog: ? --> The one that got hit by car

Thus "WHICH" can modify the adjective phrase easily as is the case in Option C.

I am sure Option C is pretty much the correct answer for the above mentioned reasons. I would like daagh and sayantanc2k inputs, just to make sure I am remembering the rule correctly.
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I personally think that this question is not good for practice.
which cannot modify an action, as the previous author of the comment stated. Which has exact rules when it can be used on GMAT. It is not the case in this sentence.
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Both A and C are not perfect enough choices

Option A : , + and construction - wrong one

option C : Which is modifying entire clause but with an exception of "adjective phrases" - not good option but still better than rest of the options
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I don't think anyone should be taking this problem seriously. First, it has an error in the fixed portion ("he" referring to a possessive, as HMC pointed out). Second, "reason why" is redundant. I'd argue that the problem with "which" is actually worse than either of these, but in any case, why contort ourselves to make "which" work just to salvage an answer that is already out for two other reasons?

All the same, if we ignore the problem with "he," A works fine. It's clear that "this" refers to the event in the preceding clause. There's nothing else it can refer to!

LogicGuru1, the clause starting with "this" is actually an independent clause (it could be a sentence on its own), and there's no rule against joining two independent clauses with ", and." In fact, I just did exactly that! :D
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I don't think anyone should be taking this problem seriously. First, it has an error in the fixed portion ("he" referring to a possessive, as HMC pointed out). Second, "reason why" is redundant. I'd argue that the problem with "which" is actually worse than either of these, but in any case, why contort ourselves to make "which" work just to salvage an answer that is already out for two other reasons?

All the same, if we ignore the problem with "he," A works fine. It's clear that "this" refers to the event in the preceding clause. There's nothing else it can refer to!

LogicGuru1, the clause starting with "this" is actually an independent clause (it could be a sentence on its own), and there's no rule against joining two independent clauses with ", and." In fact, I just did exactly that! :D



Thanks Dmitry. Got my confidence back after reading your post. Is this an OG Question at all?
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