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Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the rate of addition to arable lands will drop while those of loss rise,

(A) those of loss rise
(B) it rises for loss
(C) those of losses rise
(D) the rate of loss rises
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss
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Originally posted by alimad on 25 Jun 2007, 09:14.
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 05 Dec 2010, 01:45
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"D" seems most obvious choice on two counts

1) the rate of xyz is singular.
2) E is redundant and B has unclear antecedent IT

pls feel free to correct me if i am wrong


D is certainly the choice.

But the reason of elimination of choices B is slightly off IMO.

1. B. There is no ambiguity about the antecedence of ‘it ‘. After all, the rate is the only singular noun on the text and it can not refer to any thing else and that is the right antecedent. One can not argue, it stands for addition becos, it makes no sense to say that addition rises for loss.

But B is wrong because of llism. The rate of addition uses an of preposition while it rises for loss uses a for preposition.

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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   25 Jun 2007, 12:40
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24. Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the rate of addition to arable lands will drop while those of loss rise.
(A) those of loss rise
'those' has no reference
(B) it rises for loss
'it' has no reference
(C) those of losses rise
'those' has no reference
(D) the rate of loss rises
parallel and correct
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss
'there are rises' is wordy and redundant
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   25 Jun 2007, 13:36
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24. Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the rate of addition to arable lands will drop while those of loss rise.
(A) those of loss rise
(B) it rises for loss
(C) those of losses rise
(D) the rate of loss rises
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss


D it is!!

The rate is singular. Immediately elminate A, C and E.
That leaves B and D. B has modifer problem, not clear what "it" is referring to. D is the winner.
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   03 Dec 2010, 11:52
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Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the rate of addition to arable lands will drop while those of loss rise.
(A) those of loss rise
(B) it rises for loss
(C) those of losses rise
(D) the rate of loss rises
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss

Can some explain why the ans to this makes sense ..thanks.


"D" seems most obvious choice on two counts

1) the rate of xyz is singular.
2) E is redundant and B has unclear antecedent IT

pls feel free to correct me if i am wrong

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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   04 Dec 2010, 22:18
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"D" seems most obvious choice on two counts

1) the rate of xyz is singular.
2) E is redundant and B has unclear antecedent IT

pls feel free to correct me if i am wrong


D is certainly the choice.

But the reasons of elimination of choices B is slightly off IMO.

1. B. There is no ambiguity about the antecedence of ‘it ‘. After all, the rate is the only singular noun on the text and it can not refer to any thing else and that is the right antecedent. One can not argue, it stands for addition becos, it makes no sense to say that addition rises for loss.

But B is wrong because of llism. The rate of addition uses an of preposition while it rises for loss uses a for preposition.



thanks very much... i always mess up when it comes to understanding the rules of how to identify whether IT refers to which antecedent

Can you help me with concrete check points which can give me an idea abt IT's antecedent ( if possible with example ) it will be a great help

thanks in advance
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that [#permalink] New post   16 Nov 2012, 09:57
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1. This is an OG question. You may see no choice contains the 'will rise' option. So, this must be an acceptable version. In some connotations, even the simple present may stand for future events. Like, the school reopens middle of next, month or Hilary is expected to run for the Prez in 2016.
2. There is also a view that only when we use the fanboy connector ‘and’ should we really look for strict physical //ism, such as in this case, 'will drop and will rise'. But when we use the subordinate connector while, we can still validly use the present tense rises.
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   Updated on: 22 Jun 2014, 00:34
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The Rate is singular hence rise is wrong, rises is correct.

E is absolutely redundant and hence D wins.

D also maintains Parallelism.

Originally posted by honchos on 27 Dec 2013, 04:34.
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   12 Feb 2014, 18:39
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(A) those of loss rise Wrong - "those...rise" is not consistent with singular referent, rate
(B) it rises for loss Wrong - "for loss" is not structurally similar to "of addition"
(C) those of losses rise Wrong - "those...rise" is not consistent with singular referent, rate
(D) the rate of loss rises Correct
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss Wrong - inverted sentence structure is unneeded and not structurally similar to the "rate of addition"

IMO D
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   09 Jun 2014, 16:49
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64. Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters
who predict that
the rate of addition to arable lands will drop
while those of loss rise.

(A) those of loss rise -> No antecedent for pronoun those
(B) it rises for loss -- > in comparison when ”it” appear with second entity it denote exactly the same antecedent in this case it refer to “the rate of addition” which makes nonsensical statement.
(C) those of losses rise --> same as choice A
(D) the rate of loss rises --> Correct (the Rate ... rises )
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss -- Wordy and unidiomatic
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   12 Jun 2014, 10:20
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Can someone explain the issue with timing in this sentence please?

Is it ok to use Future (will drop) with Present (rises) in this context? Is the part "while the rate of loss rises" already out of "prediction"?
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   21 Sep 2014, 22:27
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Can someone explain the issue with timing in this sentence please?

Is it ok to use Future (will drop) with Present (rises) in this context? Is the part "while the rate of loss rises" already out of "prediction"?


Yes , it is an Idiom

X will rise , while Y rises
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   03 Nov 2014, 11:21
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The Rate is singular hence rise is wrong, rises is correct.

E is absolutely redundant and hence D wins.

D also maintains Parallelism.


Shouldn't it be " the rate of x will drop... while the rate of y will rise" and not rises? Thank you!
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   11 Sep 2016, 07:39
honchos wrote:
The Rate is singular hence rise is wrong, rises is correct.

E is absolutely redundant and hence D wins.

D also maintains Parallelism.

hi,

agrees 'the rate' is singular, but how in non underline portion 'the rate' is plural.
'the rate of addition to arable lands will drop'
drop is plural and is referring to 'the rate'

experts please help.

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honchos wrote:
The Rate is singular hence rise is wrong, rises is correct.

E is absolutely redundant and hence D wins.

D also maintains Parallelism.

hi,

agrees 'the rate' is singular, but how in non underline portion 'the rate' is plural.
'the rate of addition to arable lands will drop'
drop is plural and is referring to 'the rate'

experts please help.

Thanks & regards,
Sunil01


No, "drop" is not plural here - the verb is "will drop" which may be singular or plural. "It will drops" is wrong.
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Hey guys.
Can anybody explain why we do not use future tense? lands will drop while the rate of loss rises

Thank you
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Hey guys.
Can anybody explain why we do not use future tense? lands will drop while the rate of loss rises

Thank you


This usage is called future conditional - such usage is also observed in if and when clauses:

If I eat Pizza, I shall fall sick.
I shall talk to you when I have time.

Similarly,
The rate of addition to arable lands will drop while the rate of loss rises.
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Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the rate of addition to arable lands will drop while those of loss rise.

Issue: Pronoun | Meaning

Analysis:
1. The non-underlined portion of the sentence talks about "rate of addition". Hence the subject in the modifier clause "that the rate.." is singular.
2. For correct compare comparison, "rate of X" should be compared "rate for Y"

(A) those of loss rise - Plural pronoun has no referent
(B) it rises for loss - "it" is ambiguous
(C) those of losses rise - Plural pronoun has no referent
(D) the rate of loss rises
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss - "the rate of addition.." is not parallel with "there are rises..."

Answer: (D)
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   07 Jan 2018, 02:26
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Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the rate of addition to arable lands will drop while those of loss rise.
(A) those of loss rise -- those should logically refer to rate but those is plural whereas rate is singular
(B) it rises for loss -- it refers to rate of addition to arable lands --> illogical
(C) those of losses rise -- same as A
(D) the rate of loss rises -- Correct
(E) there are rises for the rate of loss -- wordy and redundant

Answer D
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Re: Ms. Chambers is among the forecasters who predict that the [#permalink] New post   16 Jan 2018, 22:31
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"D" seems most obvious choice on two counts

1) the rate of xyz is singular.
2) E is redundant and B has unclear antecedent IT

pls feel free to correct me if i am wrong


D is certainly the choice.

But the reason of elimination of choices B is slightly off IMO.

1. B. There is no ambiguity about the antecedence of ‘it ‘. After all, the rate is the only singular noun on the text and it can not refer to any thing else and that is the right antecedent. One can not argue, it stands for addition becos, it makes no sense to say that addition rises for loss.

But B is wrong because of llism. The rate of addition uses an of preposition while it rises for loss uses a for preposition.



I will add another angle.
Rate of means - measuring rate something like Repo Rate etc. whereas Rate for means - what is the charge of something. E.g. What is the rate for 10gms of Gold.

So a subtle difference in meaning can alse be seen.
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