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Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach.

(A) music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach
(B) music that was, during the time, prominent primarily because of J.S. Bach's works
(C) music, which, because of the works of J.S. Bach, were primarily prominent during the time
(D) music, that was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach during the time
(E) music, that was prominent during the time primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 27 Nov 2011, 18:09
I was confused between D and E, but opted for E after second reading.
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 27 Nov 2011, 20:18
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I will go with E here.

The original sentence uses that without a comma - suggesting that the modifier "that during the time was ..." is an essential one. But from the intent of the original sentence it is clear that we do not need an essential modifier. A non-essential modifier preceded by a comma which modifies the "style of music" => Eliminate A and B.
C has a S-V error. Eliminate.
D changes the meaning/intent.

E it is.

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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2011, 09:20
Why is B wrong??
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2011, 10:20
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Hi Babzsn84,
B is wrong because:-
a) "baroque style music that was" causing the sentence to be an ambiguous one.
b) music that was, during the time and prominent primarily are all causing unnecessary fragments/modifiers....
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2011, 12:25
Hi rajeevrks27 ...Thanks for clarifying the doubt.Clear now why it is E.
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2011, 21:31
A. is awkward
b. 'during the time' dangling modifier
c. is awkward, use 'which' is awkward
d. changes the intended meaning
e. CORRECT!
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2012, 08:23
Answer choice E is wrong copied from the source. Instead of "that" should be "which" and in that case the answer would be correct because THAT is only used in restrictive clauses and this is not the case.
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2012, 09:50
But IMO according to MGMAT SC
that + without comma = essential modifier
which + with comma = non-essential modifier

I still did not got these question
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 25 Aug 2012, 19:51
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Hi gmatpill,

Option E is put incorrectly. The correct one is given on your site. Hope this is an inadvertent error.


Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach.
(A) music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach
(B) music that was, during the time, prominent primarily because of J. S. Bach’s works
(C) music, which, because of the works of J. S. Bach, were primarily prominent during the time
(D) music, that was prominent primarily because of the works of J. S. Bach during the time
(E) music, which was prominent during the time primarily because of the works of J. S. Bach
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2012, 07:10
i think we can use that and which i nthese condition ..

can you please tell me if i am wrong..
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2012, 07:12
i think we can use that and which in this condition ..

can you please tell me if i am wrong..
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2012, 07:23
that is a essential modifier and cannot be placed after a comma while which is a non essential modifier that is placed after a comma...
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2012, 17:24
A Question. Can prominent primarily & primarily prominent be used in a sentence?
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2012, 18:06
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I will go with E here.

The original sentence uses that without a comma - suggesting that the modifier "that during the time was ..." is an essential one. But from the intent of the original sentence it is clear that we do not need an essential modifier. A non-essential modifier preceded by a comma which modifies the "style of music" => Eliminate A and B.
C has a S-V error. Eliminate.
D changes the meaning/intent.

E it is.

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Hi Is usage of pocession in option E correct ?
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style [#permalink] New post 30 Aug 2012, 04:50
(A) music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach : THAT during the time ( doesn't make any sense ) = Eliminated

(B) music that was, during the time, prominent primarily because of J. S. Bach’s works : What is ........during the time........ doing in between = Eliminated

(C) music, which, because of the works of J. S. Bach, were primarily prominent during the time : Music ( singular)........... were ( plural ) = Eliminated

Bxn D & E : if we remove the essential / non-essential modifiers & try to check the flow :

(D) music.................was prominent .........................................because of the works of J. S. Bach............... during the time : During the time @ the end doesnt make any sense

(E) music..................was prominent during the time .............. because of the works of J. S. Bach : logical flow

Apart from this : Its easy to write off D based on : Comma THAT ==== Comma should never preceede THAT

Leading to E , my take
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style [#permalink] New post 22 Sep 2013, 11:13
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style [#permalink] New post 27 Sep 2013, 11:49
Hello mike

In this question can I eliminate A and B because of the restricted use of that?

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Re: Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style [#permalink] New post 27 Sep 2013, 13:10
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In this question can I eliminate A and B because of the restricted use of that?

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I'm happy to help. :-) Succinctly, this is an atrocious question.

First of all, on a purely factual level, J. S. Bach was not particularly famous as a composer in his lifetime, and he was only 15 years old in the year 1700, so he had composed hardly anything by the end of the 17th century: he really had zero impact on music of the 17th century. He had minimal impact on the 18th century, and started to be a major musical presence in the 19th century. This question was written by someone who has absolutely no factual knowledge of the history of classical music. Of course, strictly speaking, whether the sentence is factually correct has nothing to do with evaluating its grammar, but I point out that the GMAT, in all its official material, maintains impeccable standards of veracity. Sometimes, they have questions about totally made-up scenarios, but when they are discussing historical figures, everything they say is 100% accurate. Therefore, the level of a question's veracity is one subtle test of how well a question is modelling the standards of the GMAT. Here's the question.

Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach.
(A) music that during the time was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach
(B) music that was, during the time, prominent primarily because of J.S. Bach's works
(C) music, which, because of the works of J.S. Bach, were primarily prominent during the time
(D) music, that was prominent primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach during the time
(E) music, that was prominent during the time primarily because of the works of J.S. Bach


The grammar is also atrocious. In general, there are two kinds of modifiers. The first set contains restrictive modifiers, also called vital modifiers --- I believe MGMAT calls the "mission-critical" modifiers. These NEVER are separated by a comma from the noun they modify. They can begin with the word "that", but on the GMAT, these will never begin with the word "which". The other set, the non-restrictive or non-vital modifiers, are ALWAYS separated by a comma from the noun they modify. These can begin with the word "which", but on the GMAT, these will never begin with the word "that." See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/that-vs-which-on-the-gmat/
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... modifiers/

Now, in this sentence, the question of whether the modifier should be vital or non-vital, restrictive vs. non-restrictive, is somewhat open to debate. Technically, we would have to know a little more about the intentions of the author and/or the musical conditions of the time. Is the author making a statement about all that "baroque style music" that happened to be popular, and not other "baroque style music" that was less popular? If that were the case, then it would be vital noun modifier. It seems more likely, though, that the modifier is just making a clarifying statement about all "baroque style music", in which case, it would be a non-vital modifier. The two correct forms would be:
(a) vital = music that ("that" + no comma)
(b) non-vital = music, which ("which" + comma)

Therefore, you can't eliminate (A) & (B) -- they actually have the correct structure, assuming we want to make the modifier vital. What this question has for an OA, using "that" as a non-vital, non-restrictive modifier, would be wrong 100% of the time on the GMAT.

Don't worry, my friend. You don't have a problem. :-) The problem is with the question itself. :-|

Does all this make sense?
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Re: Musicians of the 17th century often enjoyed baroque style [#permalink] New post 28 Sep 2013, 00:11
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See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/that-vs-which-on-the-gmat/
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... modifiers/

Now, in this sentence, the question of whether the modifier should be vital or non-vital, restrictive vs. non-restrictive, is somewhat open to debate. Technically, we would have to know a little more about the intentions of the author and/or the musical conditions of the time. Is the author making a statement about all that "baroque style music" that happened to be popular, and not other "baroque style music" that was less popular? If that were the case, then it would be vital noun modifier. It seems more likely, though, that the modifier is just making a clarifying statement about all "baroque style music", in which case, it would be a non-vital modifier. The two correct forms would be:
(a) vital = music that ("that" + no comma)
(b) non-vital = music, which ("which" + comma)

Therefore, you can't eliminate (A) & (B) -- they actually have the correct structure, assuming we want to make the modifier vital. What this question has for an OA, using "that" as a non-vital, non-restrictive modifier, would be wrong 100% of the time on the GMAT.

Don't worry, my friend. You don't have a problem. :-) The problem is with the question itself. :-|


haha .. got it mike .. again, your blog was very helpful .. I understand use of restrictive and non-restrictive but in MGMAT book they call these essential/non-essential modifiers(pg. 88) .. how is that differnt from restrictive/non-restrictive or I should what is the similarity ?

EDIT: you know what after reading that second blog on vital modifiers I got the answer

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Does all this make sense?
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