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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2009, 19:56
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Hey Franklin,

Just my two cents:

Keep your confidence up on your second go-around. The first time I prepared, I worked through three books and completed about 10 practice exams. I scored 650 and 680 on the first two, and over 700 on the rest. These were the same exams that my brother practiced with. We scored roughly the same on these practice exams and he ended up with a 740 on test day. I felt confident going in.

I scored 600 on my first attempt. I was a bit sick but I wrote anyways. I thought being sick wouldn't affect me much, plus I didn't want to lose my stupid $300. I pretty much ended up in a mental mess during the test. I took me four and a half minutes to finish the first Quant question, then I started thinking about being behind on the timing, then I started thinking that I shouldn't have sat to write the test while being sick, then about how much work I put into prep, etc. It was a disaster and I was devastated afterwards.

I knew right away that I would re-take the test, but I didn't feel confident at all. I went through all of the prep material again, and started ordering and purchasing all sorts of practice exams. I scored well on all of the practice exams, as I did during my first prep, so I really didn't know how to gauge my capabilities. Needless to say, I was very nervous when I wrote the second time. It ended up going well though. I just stayed calm, and ended up with 750, which was on the high end of my practice scores.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the practice tests seem to be pretty accurate. If you can legitimately score over 700 at home, you can probably do it on test day. Don't let one bad day mess you up too much. Stay confident and you will do well.

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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2009, 08:33
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Good luck pal!!! Retake the test, I'm sure you'll score higher.
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 02:02
Thanks.... Can you please tell us how you avoided questions from getting repeated in so many attempts.

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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 06:39
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Thanks.... Can you please tell us how you avoided questions from getting repeated in so many attempts.

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Hi gmac25,

I got a "used" GMATprep CD from a friend who took the test last year. I was told by this friend not to register for the test until I was hitting a certain score. Once I did hit my target score, I registered for the test, uninstalled the CD version and downloaded the version from mba.com. I saw all new questions when I did that. You can see my thread about that here: does-anyone-know-whether-gmac-changes-questions-in-gmatprep-82087.html

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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 06:43
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Initially I had a tough time realizing whether I learned the concept or just remembered the Q & A. It might sound silly but it did happen to me on few concepts not every one though. Do not give up in a fit of rage. 2 months is not sufficient enough for many people, including myself, even though it might seem so. But the good thing is you were at 620 to start with and I am sure many of us who eventually got past the 700 hurdle might have been below the mean of 550. I was so bad with grammar that I did not know when such as should be used and when like should be used. Re evaluate your strengths and weakness and come up with a strategy that will fit you.

If you are beyond 30 miles or have to travel on interstate with severe traffic, I suggest you go the night before and get good rest. But that's me and my thought. fortunately my test center was 5 min/miles away from my home.


No, I hear ya on that. On some quant problems I would remember the Q&A from the OG. It did happen on a few concepts. So I guess I need to strengthen my conceptual understanding.

I plan to take a week off (vacation) and then get back to it. Looking back on the experience I know I could have done better. I'm not as disappointed as I was on Friday. It is what it is ... I just need to keep pushing.
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 06:55
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Retake. I believe you can do it base on your gmatprep scores.

In order to get a realistic shot into Insead, a 700+ is a must. Or if you have excellent accomplishments, then the lower half of 80% range may be acceptable.


Thank you for your support! I believe I can do it too. As for INSEAD, I believe that a 700+ is a must. Although I have a very interesting background, e.g., lawyer, politician, college quarterback, entrepreneur, etc. I don't want the GMAT to be my hang up. I don't want any excuses for them to reject me.

When I owned my real estate investment company lenders/investors would always tell me: "Never give us a funding proposal with weaknesses that would allow us to reject your proposal." I'm taking the same strategy with my mba apps.
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2009, 07:05
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You had a bad day

I'm not a guru but I think you should definitely give it a second shot. Your math needs improvement. I suggest you buy MGMAT's material for math; it is very good and you get access to the 6 CATs, which are awesome. Since you are a lawyer, your verbal doesn't need major improvement but only a little tweaking to take it to 40+

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Thanks Unplugged! I appreciate your advice and support!

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definitely retake! you just had a bad day, maybe nerves got to you?

I recently had the same thing happen to me when I took the gmat. I was scoring 720 on my last 2 gmatprep tests and I got a 660 on the actually test, still not sure what happened! but given your practice tests you can absolutely score 700+ and I will be retaking with you! hah so you are not alone!

My plan is to go back over the broad basics first for a couple days and then start using gmatclub math tests for the hard quant problems

cheers! hopefully we can both get to 700+!


Thanks Jolt! When do you plan to retake? I pm'ed Avernusaur about Total GMAT Math. You may wanna check it out. It seems like a really good resource. I downloaded the free excerpt and so far so good.

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Your quant score is pretty consistent but the Verbal went down significantly. I have noticed this a few times over time.
I believe even GMAC has trouble keeping verbal consistent. I would recommend to reschedule the test for the next month - in 30-45 days. Take a week/few days off.
Then work on math and verbal for the next month. Improve your math a few points (go through Kaplan Math Foundations or Kaplan Math Workbook)
Do something similar with Verbal - which is your weakest area (hopefully not RC) and work on that one.

Your goal is to - maximize points and have a better day next time that would be on par with your practice verbal performance.
Invest time into the areas easiest to improve


Thanks for the support bb! I appreciate the advice and my plan is to retake in October. I'll be a regular here on the forums. Thanks for creating such a great resource.
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2009, 19:54
Thanks for the support mohater, zyskind, whatthehell and rao_1857!

I've decided to retake and started my prep with Total GMAT Math to refresh areas that I am shaky on. I also plan to use some of my old LSAT tests to practice the more difficult CR questions I encountered on the real thing. Maybe I should keep a log like bipolarbear ... :-D
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2009, 07:34
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Franklin,

Definitely Retake!

Hopefully, you can share some tough CR problems in the forum and we can all learn from it.


Thanks for the support sniper! I will definitely share. The CR probs I saw on the real thing were much more difficult than those in the OG or even GMATprep. I just wasn't prepared for those longer more difficult CR probs. I'm sure those probs contributed to my timing blunders. The most difficult CR probs I saw on the GMAT were assumption probs. I saw them early and often.

I had my sis dig up all of my Official LSAT tests from storage. I hope those tests get here by next week. I will definitely share questions that I feel will benefit GMATClubbers.

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A log might definitely track your preparation. And you can also expect some good suggestions from the fellow GMATClub members. All the best for your preparation.....


Thanks mrsmarthi!

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Completely support your decision to retake. Wish you all the best!


Thanks AceofSpades!
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2009, 07:59
Franklin,

Can you append the link for the CR thread you would be starting in your signature. That way we don't have to look high and dry for it!

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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 26 Aug 2009, 08:14
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Franklin,

Can you append the link for the CR thread you would be starting in your signature. That way we don't have to look high and dry for it!

Cheers!


I really hadn't thought of making a thread but that is a splendid idea. I'm waiting for my LSAT materials to come from my sister (she had to dig them out of storage). As soon as they arrive I will create a thread and will put a link in my signature. I'll send you a PM when I create the thread!
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2009, 17:01
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Hi Frank,

Sorry to hear about your terrible day on the way to your test. Just remember that each day starts anew. Although I'm far from an expert, I think you should re-take as well and focus on your timing. For me, timing was the most important element in my preparation for the LSAT. Note that timing doesn't necessarily mean to work quickly all the way though (as I had originally done with verbal, leaving me with 7 mins to spare but only an average score).

It sounds from your debrief that you've already pinpointed where you could improve (nerves and timing). Just know that feeling nervous is entirely normal on test day, no matter how much you try to prepare yourself for it (I had a few seemingly humorous situations myself in the hours before my test - ever sit in an elevator by yourself for 5 mins and wondering why it's taking so long to get to your floor? oh right, push the button... ) .

Is there any way you can reschedule for one closer to where you live? 21 miles is an awfully long way to travel for your test. If there's nothing closer, maybe you can get a hotel room near your test the night before so that you don't have to travel as much on d-day.

Good luck on your retake!


Thank you for your support! I really do appreciate it.

Unfortunately, I live in Ithaca and attend Cornell. You'd think that with two colleges in Ithaca that Pearson would have a test center since there is such a large student population. But no. No one comes to Ithaca. There is a facility in Binghamton but that place is scary. The facility in Syracuse is really nice.

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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2009, 17:03
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Love the arrested development references. I wish that counted on the test. I took the gmat today and after studying hard for 700+ I ended up with a 670. I'm going to retake it and study SC!!!

GOOD LUCK!


Thank you! A 670 is a really good score. SC seems to be the easiest to improve. Good luck to you!
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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2009, 08:27
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Hey Franklin,

Just my two cents:

Keep your confidence up on your second go-around. The first time I prepared, I worked through three books and completed about 10 practice exams. I scored 650 and 680 on the first two, and over 700 on the rest. These were the same exams that my brother practiced with. We scored roughly the same on these practice exams and he ended up with a 740 on test day. I felt confident going in.

I scored 600 on my first attempt. I was a bit sick but I wrote anyways. I thought being sick wouldn't affect me much, plus I didn't want to lose my stupid $300. I pretty much ended up in a mental mess during the test. I took me four and a half minutes to finish the first Quant question, then I started thinking about being behind on the timing, then I started thinking that I shouldn't have sat to write the test while being sick, then about how much work I put into prep, etc. It was a disaster and I was devastated afterwards.

I knew right away that I would re-take the test, but I didn't feel confident at all. I went through all of the prep material again, and started ordering and purchasing all sorts of practice exams. I scored well on all of the practice exams, as I did during my first prep, so I really didn't know how to gauge my capabilities. Needless to say, I was very nervous when I wrote the second time. It ended up going well though. I just stayed calm, and ended up with 750, which was on the high end of my practice scores.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the practice tests seem to be pretty accurate. If you can legitimately score over 700 at home, you can probably do it on test day. Don't let one bad day mess you up too much. Stay confident and you will do well.

Cheers


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Re: My Botched Attempt at 700+ (Kinda Long) [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2009, 08:34
AT least 90% of retakers score higher!!!!
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