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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 30 Mar 2010, 11:06
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As everyone advices, I can tell u to push yourself to read as much as possible and keep reading whatever comes your way. But personally I felt inculcating this particular habit of reading a lot is something you cannot to start couple of months before the exam. Instead you can always start reading something you really enjoy reading. I enjoy reading Business Today a lot and sports columns in the daily papers so I make sure I read them everyday at a faster pace.

Coming to the actual RC, this is what I generally do ..for long passage I spend on an averag 3-4 minutes.

While reading the passage :

1) I read the first paragraph couple of times at a fast pace just to make sure that I am undestanding what the author is conveying or going to convey in the next couple of paragraphs. Once you do this, you can atleast guess what is going to come [Though this is not of priority but it is going to boost your confidence]

2) At the back of your mind make sure you are trying to analyse the structure passage
3) You do need to mark all the keywords, just make what is the author tone like is he being on the positive side or being political correct or trying to correct a misunderstanding (slightly critical I would say)
4) Dont worry much about the complicated words or phrases that come in between, you can always refer back if there is a question regarding them.


At the end of your reading you can atleast answer or eliminate a few choices for the answers that talk about

what is the author tone or attitude?
How is the RC structured?
What is the significance of 'x' paragraph in the passage?

These are generally posed questions so you will be able to answer 75% of the questions and for other couple of questions that refer to assumptions or inferring something will need you back to dig into the passage. since you are god at CR , I would say try to put your CR cap on and try to answer these questions.

You will definitely come out with some imporoved performance...afterall GMAT is all about practice and pattern matching

Now that I took time in atleast giving my gyan, I would love to hear your side of the success story about SC and CR, which I am definitely working on to improve.




hey... thanks for the gyan ! :-D

Here are few of the CR tips from my notes :

Always read the question stem first !
Identify the evidence, conclusion and assumption.

Critical reasoning passages normally are of the following formats
1. Premise (evidence), premise, premise, conclusion
2. Conclusion, premise, premise, premise
The conclusion can either be stated at the beginning or at the end. More importantly, do not infer too much, just stick as close to the passage as possible. Therefore, thus, so, hence, implies, indicates, etc are a few flag-posts that signal a conclusion.

Assumption questions
E.g. Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
• Assumptions are never stated in the passage
• Assumptions support the conclusion of the passage
• Assumptions frequently work to fill in the gaps in the reasoning of the argument
• Look to see if the assumption is causal, analogical or statistical.
• If a cause is being suggested for an effect, ask your self if the cause is truly the reason for the effect, or if there might be an alternate cause.
• Argument based on analogy, compares one situation to another, ignoring the question of whether the two situations are comparable (analogous).
• If the assumption uses statistics, ask yourself if the statistics involved are representative

Strengthen the argument questions
• The statements are never stated directly in the passage
• Information will support the conclusion of passage.
• Similar logics for causal, analogies and statistics can be used as in Assumptions
• The easiest way to strengthen a passage is to strengthen the conclusion and(or) the assumptions.

Weaken the argument questions
• The above-mentioned techniques can be used in a similar way, except that it should weaken the conclusion
Inference questions
• Not directly stated in the passage
• Inferences have got little to do with the conclusion

Mimic-the-reasoning questions
If A occurs then B occurs is true
then it is necessarily true that if B does not occur then A does not occur
and not necessary that if B occurs then A occurs


If you cannot find a correct answer, try eliminating incorrect answers first!

For SC,

Review all the basic grammar rules/ concepts(nouns, types of nouns, pronouns, adverbs, adjectives, identify subject-verb, verb tenses, clauses, conjunctions, prepositions).

Memorize the idioms list (you may get the list from Knewton's concept section)

If you cannot find an error in the given sentence, try eliminating answer choices using the eight rules for sentence correction.

Finally, practice makes one perfect !! :-D
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2010, 10:22
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If you're interested in improving your CR scores, check out this blog post from Alex Sarlin, Knewton's GMAT Verbal Lead, all about the best things to read to help your GMAT reading comprehension scores.

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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2010, 12:15
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I am thinking about enrolling (the 50 point guarantee sounds like a win win to me,) but was wondering if anyone could comment on whether the Knewton instructors or teaching assistants incorporate any official guide material into their lessons or homework assignments?

I started studying for the GMAT 9 months ago, and in that span I have taken it three times, getting a 640, 630, and 650, in that order. I want to give it one last shot, and this is based on the fact that my verbal was in the 92nd percentile the first time around and in the two subsequent exams my verbal has not come close to that original mark. (If I can get the verbal back near that first mark, I should be good since my quant has improved on all three attempts.) Anyway, I attribute this to not really doing much practice with official guide problems leading up to my second and third attempts, so when I took it the second and third time, I simply was not used to the format and language of the GMAT. I took a Manhattan GMAT course prior to my first exam, and while they used a lot of proprietary material, they would tie it into the official guide material as well. For example, for a particular day, they would assign a few chapters from the SC guide, and then at the end of the assigned chapters, you would have a list of official guide problems that pertained to what you just read in those chapters. Basically, I got a lot of practice with official guide problems leading up to my first attempt, and got very little in my second and third attempts, instead relying on Kaplan Quiz Bank problems and running GMATPrep a few times.

I was considering going back and essentially retracing my steps with MGMAT, meaning following the syllabus and study guide, but I am intrigued by what I have heard about Knewton, and I think a fresh approach will really help. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts.


Great to hear that you have such a high verbal percentile. They do not tag anything to the official guide problems. But most of their practice questions are very very very similar to the Official guide questions. I am concentrating mostly on verbal and I find it really useful though I thought quant was a bit easy.

Let me know if you need any other help in this regard,
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I am the verge of finishing all the Knewton classes. Though I missed a few classes , I could go through them using archived section which is very useful.

Verbal classes were helpful but personally I felt their support was execellent. I have been stressing a lot of the basic grammar while answering the questions in their homework or questions on this forum and they were very helpful in answering all my queries and clearing all my doubts.

My understanding of relative clauses, apositives, sub ordinate clauses , participal phrases and prepositional phrases has improved a lot. Though I am still to master them I am seriously dissecting all their home work problems.

I wasnt even aware of Independent clause+ , + FANBOYS + Independent clause usage when I took my first GMAT....Though I might need to feel ashamed but I feel happy that I learnt atleast now :)

Next Target ...continue dissection of SC questions in Knewton and start looking into Sahil's grammar notes.

CR Target " Planning to go through LSAT CR or Powerscore CR Bible or MGMAT CR ....let me know if anyone of you folks have good download links for these books [please PM me] . I couldnt get the Powerscore score books in India (Bangalore).


P.S : I havent taken any of their CATs since I want to store them for some more time.
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 07 Apr 2010, 12:28
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I am the verge of finishing all the Knewton classes. Though I missed a few classes , I could go through them using archived section which is very useful.

Verbal classes were helpful but personally I felt their support was execellent. I have been stressing a lot of the basic grammar while answering the questions in their homework or questions on this forum and they were very helpful in answering all my queries and clearing all my doubts.

My understanding of relative clauses, apositives, sub ordinate clauses , participal phrases and prepositional phrases has improved a lot. Though I am still to master them I am seriously dissecting all their home work problems.

I wasnt even aware of Independent clause+ , + FANBOYS + Independent clause usage when I took my first GMAT....Though I might need to feel ashamed but I feel happy that I learnt atleast now :)

Next Target ...continue dissection of SC questions in Knewton and start looking into Sahil's grammar notes.

CR Target " Planning to go through LSAT CR or Powerscore CR Bible or MGMAT CR ....let me know if anyone of you folks have good download links for these books [please PM me] . I couldnt get the Powerscore score books in India (Bangalore).


P.S : I havent taken any of their CATs since I want to store them for some more time.



i wouldnt feel ashamed.. i didnt know it either and i wasnt even sure how to use had/has beens. When you taking the test? mine is saturday and i hope i wont need the refund :)
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 12 Apr 2010, 12:48
I am in the serious process of dissecting English GMAT Grammar!!!! I literally spent my last 4-5 days including the weekend in drilling through various GMAT Prep questions posted specifically in one of the verbal forums. I was trying to get the grammatical way of interpreting these questions and of course drop in a mail to knewton support asking them for suggestions if my interpretation is right.

Boyyy....there is some serious grammar that we need to be aware of .... and I should really mention the support staff of Knewton who have been helping me tremendously.

Support generally works this way ....

Sent a mail to them and they will respond back in 24 hrs. But I could see the responses coming on Saturday night as well. Great support staff at knewton.

Coming back to my dissection of SC, here is my advise :

Make sure you get the basic english grammar right... and dont worry too much about solving the question . Just make sure you understand every phrase or every clause (BTW, I HOPE YOU FOLKS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PHRASE AND A CLAUSE) in a complete sentence.
Make sure you can identify what is a preposition, what is a conjunction and of course find out the S-V-O of the sentence. This is very important.
Try to write down the basic rules of a prepositinal phrase or a participal phrase or different kinds of clauses like how does each of them need to start ? What is an apositive and how is it different from the clauses...!!!!

Enuf of GYAN...time to apply this now....
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Will leave you folks with a teaser :

She was less successful after she had emigrated
to New York compared to her native Germany,
Photographer Lotte Jacobi nevertheless earned a small
Group of discerning admirers, and her P h o t o graphs
Were eventually exhibited in prestigious galleries
Across the United States.

(A) She was less successful after she had emigrated to New York compared to
(B) Being less successful after she had emigrated to New York as compared to
(C) Less successful after she emigrated to New York than she had been in
(D) Although she was less successful after emigrating to New York when compared to
(E) She had been less successful after emigrating to New York than in

How do you interpret this :
Photographer Lotte Jacobi nevertheless earned a small Group of discerning admirers - this is a complete sentence or a independent clause.
, and her photographs were eventually exhibited in prestigious galleries across the United States. - is this correct . Ofcourse it is , comma + FANBOYS word "word" + independent clause.

Now coming to the underlined part :

She was less successful after she had emigrated to New York compared to her native Germany,

This needs to be a dependent clause and cannot be a independent clause since the following clause is an independent clause and doesnt have a FANBOYS in there so we will need to pick a choice which is a dependent clause.

so eliminate A and E

D though is dependent clause starting with "Although" (subordinating conjunction) has wrong comparision at the end.

B carries the same mistake of wrong comparison.

C -> Less successful after she emigrated to New York than she had been in -> has the right comparison in here between after "she emigrated to New York" than "she had been in her native Germany" and "Less Successful" is the adjective modifying the subject of the sentence Photographer Lotte Jacobi and "after she emigrated to New York than she had been in" is a subordinate or adverbial conjunction modifying this adjective.
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 12 Apr 2010, 12:52
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I am the verge of finishing all the Knewton classes. Though I missed a few classes , I could go through them using archived section which is very useful.

Verbal classes were helpful but personally I felt their support was execellent. I have been stressing a lot of the basic grammar while answering the questions in their homework or questions on this forum and they were very helpful in answering all my queries and clearing all my doubts.

My understanding of relative clauses, apositives, sub ordinate clauses , participal phrases and prepositional phrases has improved a lot. Though I am still to master them I am seriously dissecting all their home work problems.

I wasnt even aware of Independent clause+ , + FANBOYS + Independent clause usage when I took my first GMAT....Though I might need to feel ashamed but I feel happy that I learnt atleast now :)

Next Target ...continue dissection of SC questions in Knewton and start looking into Sahil's grammar notes.

CR Target " Planning to go through LSAT CR or Powerscore CR Bible or MGMAT CR ....let me know if anyone of you folks have good download links for these books [please PM me] . I couldnt get the Powerscore score books in India (Bangalore).


P.S : I havent taken any of their CATs since I want to store them for some more time.



i wouldnt feel ashamed.. i didnt know it either and i wasnt even sure how to use had/has beens. When you taking the test? mine is saturday and i hope i wont need the refund :)



Give your BEST.....HOPE for the BEST and FORGET THE REST ....!!! You should do it well ...BTW , you already have a pretty decent score of 720 so dont worry too much about the score now. Give your best shot and see if it works.... :)
ALL THE BEST ....Do post us your score and experience of course.
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 12 Apr 2010, 13:11
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Will leave you folks with a teaser :

She was less successful after she had emigrated
to New York compared to her native Germany,
Photographer Lotte Jacobi nevertheless earned a small
Group of discerning admirers, and her P h o t o graphs
Were eventually exhibited in prestigious galleries
Across the United States.

(A) She was less successful after she had emigrated to New York compared to
(B) Being less successful after she had emigrated to New York as compared to
(C) Less successful after she emigrated to New York than she had been in
(D) Although she was less successful after emigrating to New York when compared to
(E) She had been less successful after emigrating to New York than in

How do you interpret this :
Photographer Lotte Jacobi nevertheless earned a small Group of discerning admirers - this is a complete sentence or a independent clause., and her photographs were eventually exhibited in prestigious galleries across the United States. - is this correct . Ofcourse it is , comma + FANBOYS word "word" + independent clause.
Now coming to the underlined part :

She was less successful after she had emigrated to New York compared to her native Germany,

This needs to be a dependent clause and cannot be a independent clause since the following clause is an independent clause and doesnt have a FANBOYS in there so we will need to pick a choice which is a dependent clause.
so eliminate A and E

D though is dependent clause starting with "Although" (subordinating conjunction) has wrong comparision at the end.

B carries the same mistake of wrong comparison.

C -> Less successful after she emigrated to New York than she had been in -> has the right comparison in here between after "she emigrated to New York" than "she had been in her native Germany" and "Less Successful" is the adjective modifying the subject of the sentence Photographer Lotte Jacobi and "after she emigrated to New York than she had been in" is a subordinate or adverbial conjunction modifying this adjective.


Question to everyone in general: Is it really necessary to know/memorize all the jargon? I got the question correct, but I really don't know the names such as independent clause, dependent clause, phrase, adverbial conjunction, etc. I am a native English speaker so I just go by sound/feel. Did everyone else who did well on SC memorize this stuff?

For reference, I am aiming for 750+.

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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2010, 07:17
I am a non-native english speaker and I followed a different strategy before and I couldnt fare well in the main exam. I wanted to approach GMAT in completely different way, so here I am trying to get my basics right.

Seriously you need not memorize all of these jargons if you can recognize all these patterns. But I think you will need to atleast know the basic grammar rules which can make your life easy during the exam day.
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 20 May 2010, 11:44
Hi Acer,

Can you please shed some light on knewton course of the way things going there . I am interested in joining the course and getting some reviews would be helpful for making a firm decision


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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 20 May 2010, 21:46
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Hi Acer,

Can you please shed some light on knewton course of the way things going there . I am interested in joining the course and getting some reviews would be helpful for making a firm decision


Thanks..


Hey I sent you a PM , please check and let me know in case you have further questions
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 31 May 2010, 15:03
Hi acer2knight,

Would you mind sharing your Knewton experience with me as well? Have you written the exam and if so was Knewton helpful?

I am also planning to sign up for the class soon. PM me if that's preferable.

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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 31 May 2010, 19:12
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Hi acer2knight,

Would you mind sharing your Knewton experience with me as well? Have you written the exam and if so was Knewton helpful?

I am also planning to sign up for the class soon. PM me if that's preferable.

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Hey I sent you a PM , please check and let me know in case you have further questions
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2010, 08:39
Sorry guys I was busy caught between my preparation and my job.

Classes to the end of Knewton were a bit dull and less effective. I finished all the sessions and started taking their CATs.

BTW, I was an ardent fan of Knewton support until I got a mail saying that I am asking too many questions to their Knewton. I need to agree that I was asking a bit initially. Though I didnt like the way they put it. Apart from that, need to agree that Lara of Knewton support is a wonderful with her explanations.

I started taking Knewton CATs. Man their scoring is really screwed. You get 5 questions wrong in Quant and your score of Quant reads 45.....!!!!! Got to be kidding....

My GMAT Date is June 28th.....

Knewton Diag : 710
Knewton CAT 1 : 680 (Verbal - 8 mistakes gave me 33 in Verbal and 5 mistakes gave me 48 in Quant)
Knewton CAT 2 : 710 (Verbal - 8 mistakes gave me 35 in Verbal and 2 mistakes gave me 51 in Quant)
Knewton CAT 3 : 680 (Verbal - 9 mistakes gave me 38 in Verbal and 5 mistakes gave me 45 in Quant)
GMAT Prep : 750
GMAT Prep 2 : 770
GMAT Prep 1 (Repeat) : 780
Knewton CAT 3 : 720 (Verbal - 3 mistakes gave me 36 in Verbal and 2 mistakes gave me 51 in Quant) - Took it today
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2010, 09:26
that's unfortunate that knewton has a limit on the number of questions you can ask them. sounds like bad customer service.

i think you are doing fine, despite your knewton cat scores. based on your gmatprep, you look like you are on your way to 750+!
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2010, 11:02
Hey bb, its on June 28th.

@ username :

Ya I dont want to read too much into GMAT Prep scores though. A few questions that you already see on forums keep repeating .... but knewton CAT verbal section is a good estimator though. I have a OG kind of explanation notes prepared myself for Old GMAT Prep questions around 130-140 questions with the help of Knewton support. So I dont want to say they gave me a bad customer experience.

May be the student enrollments have picked up and they might be feeling the heat now... :)
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Re: My stint with Knewton. Will keep updating as my journey... [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2010, 22:24
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Hey BB,

Need a suggestion :

Finished my GMAT yesterday scored 710. I am not sure if I should be happy with this or feel bad.

Will have 6 years of experience by the time I join 2012 class (if I get thru and etc etc)

Profile : Pre-Sales/ Telecom

3 years of International Experience (American Express @ US)

Currently working for Nokia R&D

How do you see my chances for ISB or colleges in Top 20?
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Congrats 710 is a good score.

Anything above 700 + good application = admission in top school

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