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The only motive is to find as many errors as possible in each incorrect answer choice.
It would be great if we get every perspective for an answer choice.
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The main issue with C, IMO, is that if we consider it correct then in that case we are changing the meaning. In the original sentence, it was not intended to mean that the result of accumulation of music is transferring from one format to another.
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Here is the OE:
A) The uses of the plural noun they are not in the agreement with the singular antecedent lying.

E) The singular pronoun itagrees with the singular antecedent lying, and the objects of the verb determineare in parallel form, both introduced by interrogative pronoun
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I am 100% sure that you have a GMAT EAR.
Carcass very few on earth have it and should thank God for this. :D
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souvik101990 wrote:
First, while does not always mean simultaneity.
Second, Marcab can you point out what are the problems we are having with the question in a gist?
I'd give a go before you post the OE.
I think its E as well.
The other options either have "they" or a active passive mix up.


Hii Souvik.
Can you please elaborate on the other uses of "while"? I thought that they are used for simultaneous events only.

Now coming to your question.
I can't really understand how "lying" be destructive. "Social interactions" can be destructive and "can signal mental problem" but "lying"... :shock:
Yes A has amibiguity issues because of "they", so the answer has to be E.
I have posted the OE in page 2.


First of all Marcab, pronoun ambiguity is really an issue which SHOULD not be considered as an initial eliminator of answer choices in the GMAT
If you want I can give you proofs of official questions in which the correct answer choice has ambiguous pronouns and OG 13 has more that 6 of these questions.
Consider the following.
Jack and Bill have a joint account, yet he hardly uses it.
Here "he" is really ambiguous, because there is ABSOLUTELY no way to tell which one is "he" referring to.

However consider this one,
Jack is much fatter than Bill; he weighs more than 200 pounds.
Here, however "he", albeit ambiguous, logically refers to Jack.

Plenty of officially correct answer choices have ambiguous pronouns so this is NOT a rule any more. (might make a secondary elimination technique though).

Second,
While implies two things.

1. Simultaneity: example: I was working out while I was watching TV.
This implies two actions which occur at the same time.
2. Contrast: example: While my weight loss was temporary, it gave my a confidence-boost.

Hope its clear the way "while" works.
Now coming to this question, it is clear that while implies a contrast here.
Lets look:

While recognizing that lying often facilitates social interactions, psychiatrists are seeking to determine when they become destructive and which kinds of mental problems they can signal.

A. they become destructive and which kinds of mental problems they can signal
B. they become destructive and the mental problems that are signaled by them
C. it becomes destructive and what are the kinds of mental problems they signal
D. it becomes destructive and the mental problems that are signaled by it
E. it becomes destructive and which kinds of mental problems it can signal

Here is how I would approach the problem:

Meaning: This sentence means: although lying has some good effects, it also have something bad.
It means that lying does help in social interactions but it also becomes destructive and create mental problems. (for example one can become a pathological liar. :P)
So while is used a contrast word here.
Also another way to figure out that it is lying that is destructive and not the social interactions:
Psychiatrists are recognizing the fact that LYING is doing stuffs such as facilitating social interactions.
So it is probable that psychiatrists are talking about LYING again, when they are talking about mental problems and destruction.

Once that is figured out, the rest just becomes a pronoun antecedent agreement question.
D is HORRIBLE because it mixes active and passive (GMAT ear comes to use here)

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@Souvik

In my experience a pronoun and their antecedents cuould seem incorrect, but seeing the whole picture IF the context is clear (and in this question if you use the meaning strategy literally you spot what is the pivot point of the entire question) there is not ambiguity.

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let's see this video. is a must :)

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The official question 3.
As per the GMAT PREP, this question has the difficulty level of 3.0. However I don't think that this one should be labeled hard.
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Ok........

When I see a SC (this is the result of hours and hours spent on blogs such as mgmatblog veritas, books , here on forum and so on and so forth, there is a lot of dedication that you have to have in order to tackle this test and this is not an achiving that you can reach in days or month - personally speaking who says GMAT in one month two day I'm skeptical - my personal opinion, though the score and who achive it are real, of course) I always try to put the thing simple and from there I move on.........

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As discussed earlier in a pevious post, this question is quite tricky.

C seems the best choice among the others but is incorrect.

One way is to make a split betweenITandTHEM.

At the beginning seems that THEM is correct because Cds, digital audiotapes and so on but based on the meaning of the sentence all music can't be copied at the same time, it doesn't make sense at all, the only correct pronoun is IT which refers to music.

Actually is the music transferred in its various forms

This leaves us with B D and E

D have music and transfer (no sense) and also little effort is not parallel with not damaging

E have music and transfer (no sense) and copying it is not parallel with alter it

So B is the best of the poll

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Re: Nail the Sentence Correction Section [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2012, 07:57
Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction - on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs- audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality

A - music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging
B - music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to
C - music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to
D - music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging
E - music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

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  • Error 1 - Pronouns - vast collections of music - plural, it vs them
  • Error 2 - Parallelism - accumulate, transferring, copying, digitally altering

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As discussed earlier in a pevious post, this question is quite tricky.

C seems the best choice among the others but is incorrect.

One way is to make a split betweenITandTHEM.

At the beginning seems that THEM is correct because Cds, digital audiotapes and so on but based on the meaning of the sentence all music can't be copied at the same time, it doesn't make sense at all, the only correct pronoun is IT which refers to music.

Actually is the music transferred in its various forms

This leaves us with B D and E

D have music and transfer (no sense) and also little effort is not parallel with not damaging

E have music and transfer (no sense) and copying it is not parallel with alter it

So B is the best of the poll


I was confused between those two as well, ultimately the rules won and I figured that "them" agreed with "collections". However, even C didnt quite sound right to me it was the technically sound answer..
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Re: Nail the Sentence Correction Section [#permalink] New post 13 Dec 2012, 08:47
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The only motive is to find as many errors as possible in each incorrect answer choice.
It would be great if we get every perspective for an answer choice.


I guess we easy kill would be A and D. little effort and not damaging is not parallel.
Both C and E are not parallel. We can be 100% sure that transfer, copy and alter should be parallel
B looks fine from both pronoun and parallelism perspective.

This is damn good Q. So many things to consider before making an selection..... :evil:

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What about the answer choice?
IMO a prepositional phrase can't contain the subject, hence shouldn't the "collections" be the subject rather than "music"?
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As discussed earlier in a pevious post, this question is quite tricky.

C seems the best choice among the others but is incorrect.

One way is to make a split betweenITandTHEM.

At the beginning seems that THEM is correct because Cds, digital audiotapes and so on but based on the meaning of the sentence all music can't be copied at the same time, it doesn't make sense at all, the only correct pronoun is IT which refers to music.

Actually is the music transferred in its various forms

This leaves us with B D and E

D have music and transfer (no sense) and also little effort is not parallel with not damaging

E have music and transfer (no sense) and copying it is not parallel with alter it

So B is the best of the poll


I was confused between those two as well, ultimately the rules won and I figured that "them" agreed with "collections". However, even C didnt quite sound right to me it was the technically sound answer..



Basically I transfer music.

I'll go for B :)
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If I say, "Carcass, can you burn your collections of music on an audio CD?"- whats wrong in it?
But if I say, "Carcass, can you burn you music on an audio CD?"- does it sounds right?
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What about the answer choice?
IMO a prepositional phrase can't contain the subject, hence
shouldn't the "collections" be the
subject rather than "music"?


I guess Audiophile is still the subject of the sentence right. ...
music is the object of transfer copy and alter.... correct me if u
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