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Nandipa wishes to maintain her heart health, strictly follows a plant-based diet, and has successfully maintained her blood level of LDL, "bad" cholesterol, at well within the range considered optimal for heart heath. But she is worried that her blood level of HDL, "good" cholesterol, is lower than is often considered optimal for heart health, and has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.

Which of the following, if true, should be most significant for Nandipa in determining whether to add such foods to her diet?

A. HDL can help to protect against the accumulation of plaques (fatty deposits) in the arteries.

B. The benefit of HDL is strictly due to its effect on LDL levels.

C. The body produces all of the LDL it needs; so it is unnecessary to consume foods containing this form of cholesterol

D. Plant-based diet reduce the sum of both "good" and "bad" cholesterol.

E. There are other foods besides fish or chicken that can increase the level of "good" cholesterol.

Experts please help clarify the logic behind correct answer.


Nandipa wants to remain healthy and has kep here LDL at the desired level. But her HDL is low, hence she wants to eat food that increases HDL.
We need to evaluate whether she should eat such food or not.

If we are able to prove a relation between LDL (bad for health) and HDL (good for health), then we can easily reason whether she should eat the food or not.
Or if we can point out a relation between such foods and any other health benefits/hazards, then also we can reason out.

Of the given options, only Option B talks about the relation between HDL and LDL by saying that "The benefit of HDL is strictly due to its effect on LDL levels"
Correct Option: B
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Can someone please explain the reasoning to eliminate answer choice D?
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Can someone please explain the reasoning to eliminate answer choice D?


We know that the level of good cholestrol is already low.
Option D says that the plant based diet reduces the sum of good and bad cholesterol.

From this we cannot determine whether the level of good cholesterol will rise or not. It might be the case the bad cholesterol takes the most part of the sum.

Does this help?
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Hi experts,

This is my reasoning for the correct answer.

If benefit OF HDL is strictly caused by its effect on LDL then she doesn't need food rich in HDL as her LDL is already within limits.

If benefit OF HDL is not strictly caused by its effect on LDL then HDL is probably important and she does need to take in foods rich in HDL.

Please let me know if there is a gap in my understanding.
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Hi experts,

This is my reasoning for the correct answer.

If benefit OF HDL is strictly caused by its effect on LDL then she doesn't need food rich in HDL as her LDL is already within limits.

If benefit OF HDL is not strictly caused by its effect on LDL then HDL is probably important and she does need to take in foods rich in HDL.

Please let me know if there is a gap in my understanding.


Yes, you are correct in your thinking...
If the role of HDL is to control LDL, then that role is already being done efficiently by the amount of HDL in body...
so may be MORE HDL will not have any further benefit ...
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chetan2u: What could be the reasons for eliminating option A?
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nalinnair wrote:
chetan2u: What could be the reasons for eliminating option A?


Heart Health : Plant Based Diet + Blood Level LDL ( Bad chol < Optimum level)
Worried : HDL < Optimum Level
Incrd consmptn : Chicken / Fish = Incr HDL


A. HDL can help to protect against the accumulation of plaques (fatty deposits) in the arteries.

What if optimum level of LDL ( by the consumption of Plant Based Diet ) doesn't result in deposition of fat in the arteries ? If Fat deposit doen't take place in the first place , HDL will have no role to play ....

Hence (A) can be rejected....
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Nandipa wishes to maintain her heart health, strictly follows a plant-based diet and has successfully maintained her blood level of LDL, ''bad'' cholesterol at well within the range considered optimal for heart health. But She is worried that her blood of HDL, ''good'' cholesterol, is lower than is often considered optimal for heart health, and has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.


Which of the following, if true , should be most significant for Nandipa in determining whether to add such foods to her diet ?

Ok, let’s analyze it thoroughly.
Objective, healthy heart. P1: Following a plant-based diet she has great levels of Bad Cholesterol, but probably low levels of Good Cholesterol.
The question is, should she increase the levels of good cholesterol?

A. “Whether” HDL can help to protect against the accumulation of plagues (fatty deposits) in the arteries.
Irrelevant, we know HDL, is good we are simply asking ourselves whether she should rise it, not its effects.
B. “Whether” the benefit of HDL is strictly due to its effect on LDL levels
That’s probably it. We were asking ourselves: does she have to increase her levels of good cholesterol? This statement would help to understand whether her good levels of Bad Cholesterol are linked to the low levels of Good Cholesterol or not. If they are, there’s no reason to increase the good cholesterol since it’d likely increase the Bad Cholesterol as well, if they aren’t linked on the contrary she could eat whatever she likes to increase it.
C. “Whether” the body produces all of the LDL it needs; so it is unnecessary to consume food containing this form of cholesterol
This doesn’t answer any of our questions, if it is true we don’t understand why the levels are lower than the normal level, and in case it isn’t true, we don’t have any new information on whether she should eat those foods.
D. Plant-based diets reduce the sum of both ''good'' and ''bad'' cholesterol
Irrelevant. We are talking about whether to try and rise the levels of Good Cholesterol.
E. There are other good besides chicken or fish that can increase the level of good cholesterol
Super out of scope, who cares if nuts can increase cholesterol, we first have to understand whether she needs to!

Answer B.
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Correct answer is B

Reasoning - if the only benefit of HDL is its effect on LDL levels, Nandipa doesn't have to do anything, since LDL level are already in the required range.
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Premise: Nand has maintained a plant based diet --> Level of LDL is normal. But level of HDL, good cholesterol is lower than optimal.

Conclusion: Nand has decided to consume foods that would increase the level of HDL.

We are asked to evaluate whether the foods that she has decided to consume is beneficial and does not increase LDL levels.

A. HDL can help to protect against the accumulation of plagues (fatty deposits) in the arteries - Incorrect - Irrelevant. We already know that HDL is good cholesterol. So HDL has some beneficial properties. Moreover we are not worried about the beneficial effects of HDL on the heart.

B. The benefit of HDL is stricly due to its effect on LDL levels - Correct - It can be interpreted from this option that HDL levels govern LDL levels. So if the foods used to increase HDL levels keeps LDL in check then it is recommended to consume such foods, otherwise, such foods are not recommended to be consumed.

C. The body produces all of the LDL it needs; so it is unnecessary to consume food containing this form of cholesterol - Incorrect - Irrelevant

D. Plant-based diets reduce the sum of both ''good'' and ''bad'' cholesterol - Incorrect - Irrelevant. Focus is on consumption of foods which can improve HDL levels, not on plant based diets.

E. There are other good besides chicken or fish that can increase the level of good cholesterol - Incorrect - Irrelevant

Answer: B



Want to discuss the reasoning for option B. According to the stem, we need to determine if such foods as chicken/fish is to be added to her diet to increase the HDL. As per option B, HDL's benefit is strictly due to its effect on LDL levels. Since her LDL levels are already within the range, addition of HDL won't be largely beneficial to her. For good health of the heart, her levels are already in place so addition of such foods won't be a huge factor.

As per your reasoning, she can go ahead and add such foods to her diet.

Wanted to know the flaw in my reasoning.
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Nandipa wishes to maintain her heart health, strictly follows a plant-based diet and has successfully maintained her blood level of LDL, ''bad'' cholesterol at well within the range considered optimal for heart health. But She is worried that her blood of HDL, ''good'' cholesterol, is lower than is often considered optimal for heart health, and has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.

Which of the following, if true , should be most significant for Nandipa in determining whether to add such foods to her diet ?

A. HDL can help to protect against the accumulation of plagues (fatty deposits) in the arteries
B. The benefit of HDL is stricly due to its effect on LDL levels
C. The body produces all of the LDL it needs; so it is unnecessary to consume food containing this form of cholesterol
D. Plant-based diets reduce the sum of both ''good'' and ''bad'' cholesterol
E. There are other good besides chicken or fish that can increase the level of good cholesterol


In order to evaluate the argument
In choice A it is not useful to know whether HDL can help to protect against palgues
In option B
If answer is yes then that means there is already low levels of LDL in blood there is no advantage in this case for HDL
If answer is no then that means that we need to consume the food rich in HDL .

Answer is B
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Hi Experts,

I have a basic question on handling "evaluate" type of arguments such as this one.

Nandipa wishes to maintain her heart health, strictly follows a plant-based diet and has successfully maintained her blood level of LDL, ''bad'' cholesterol at well within the range considered optimal for heart health. But She is worried that her blood of HDL, ''good'' cholesterol, is lower than is often considered optimal for heart health, and has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.

Here the conclusion is: has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.

However, the question stem mentions:
Which of the following, if true , should be most significant for Nandipa in determining whether to add such foods to her diet ?

Note that the statement in question stem is more generic (in general would adding such foods to her diet would help her maintain her heart health - her objective) than the conclusion (focuses on only HDL increase).

While, solving these questions, should we make the above distinction or just stay close to the question stem and forget the conclusion?
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Vyshak wrote:
Premise: Nand has maintained a plant based diet --> Level of LDL is normal. But level of HDL, good cholesterol is lower than optimal.

Conclusion: Nand has decided to consume foods that would increase the level of HDL.

We are asked to evaluate whether the foods that she has decided to consume is beneficial and does not increase LDL levels.

A. HDL can help to protect against the accumulation of plagues (fatty deposits) in the arteries - Incorrect - Irrelevant. We already know that HDL is good cholesterol. So HDL has some beneficial properties. Moreover we are not worried about the beneficial effects of HDL on the heart.

B. The benefit of HDL is stricly due to its effect on LDL levels - Correct - It can be interpreted from this option that HDL levels govern LDL levels. So if the foods used to increase HDL levels keeps LDL in check then it is recommended to consume such foods, otherwise, such foods are not recommended to be consumed.

C. The body produces all of the LDL it needs; so it is unnecessary to consume food containing this form of cholesterol - Incorrect - Irrelevant

D. Plant-based diets reduce the sum of both ''good'' and ''bad'' cholesterol - Incorrect - Irrelevant. Focus is on consumption of foods which can improve HDL levels, not on plant based diets.

E. There are other good besides chicken or fish that can increase the level of good cholesterol - Incorrect - Irrelevant

Answer: B



Want to discuss the reasoning for option B. According to the stem, we need to determine if such foods as chicken/fish is to be added to her diet to increase the HDL. As per option B, HDL's benefit is strictly due to its effect on LDL levels. Since her LDL levels are already within the range, addition of HDL won't be largely beneficial to her. For good health of the heart, her levels are already in place so addition of such foods won't be a huge factor.

As per your reasoning, she can go ahead and add such foods to her diet.

Wanted to know the flaw in my reasoning.


Hi warriorguy,

The flaw in your thinking is that she doesn't want to eat those foods. She would have consumed them to get her HDL higher, but if she doesn't have to then she won't. She is healthy, and therefore will stick to her plant-based diet.

Does this help?
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Hi Experts,

I have a basic question on handling "evaluate" type of arguments such as this one.

Nandipa wishes to maintain her heart health, strictly follows a plant-based diet and has successfully maintained her blood level of LDL, ''bad'' cholesterol at well within the range considered optimal for heart health. But She is worried that her blood of HDL, ''good'' cholesterol, is lower than is often considered optimal for heart health, and has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.

Here the conclusion is: has thus considered consuming foods such as chicken or fish that would increase her blood level of this beneficial substance.

However, the question stem mentions:
Which of the following, if true , should be most significant for Nandipa in determining whether to add such foods to her diet ?

Note that the statement in question stem is more generic (in general would adding such foods to her diet would help her maintain her heart health - her objective) than the conclusion (focuses on only HDL increase).

While, solving these questions, should we make the above distinction or just stay close to the question stem and forget the conclusion?


Hi sevenplusplus,

NEVER FORGET THE CONCLUSION. NEVER IGNORE THE CONCLUSION. Now that my caps are out of the way, what you have to remember is that the question is based a combination of background info., premises, and conclusions. We want to prove/disprove/qualify/ect. the conclusion. Please do not ignore the conclusion at any point in your studying.

Does this help?
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Hey abhimahna / GMATNinja

can you explain the reason to eliminate option D?

if both good and bad cholesterol go down because of plant-based of diets, then eating food such as chicken or fish would be beneficial to counter the effect of plant-based diet on good cholesterol

Hence I marked D. can you let me know your thoughts here?
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