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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2011, 13:56
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Alright folks, now that we're in playoff season and as I'm sure everyone who's an NBA fan has a team that he/she is cheering for, here's my take on it.

As much as I enjoy watching D-Rose tearing it up on the floor against the Pacers, it'll be hard for the Bulls to make it too far in the playoff if the team itself can't step up to the plate. A team requires more than just a one-man show (i.e. Rose right now) puttnig up 39 points a game. It has to be a well-balanced team, with all positions covered. Boozer stepped it up on the second game, but he's got a lot to show still. Overall, I'm liking the Bulls if they're able to conquer their own mentality. the boston-ny games have been quite exciting. Who would've thought that NY could put up such a fight against the champion of the east side from last year. I'm still going for the celtics on this round though. The heat, nothing to say there.

In terms of the west side, I wouldn't worry too much for the lakers. I think lakers will prove it to themselves and to the fans that they're still able to take down another championship ring this season. A lot of games are on tonight and I'm sure there's going to be some upset still, but it's going to be interesting coming down the wire.


Actually a "one-man show" can win the NBA championship.. check out these stats (courtesy a comment from ESPN after Game 2 of the Bulls-Pacers series):

Here are this year's Bulls playoffs scoring statistics for the top 5 scorers:

Rose 37.5
Deng 16.0
Boozer 14.5
Korver 9.0
Noah 7.0

Now, here are the stats for the top five scorers for 3 other title years for the Bulls:

97-98

Jordan 32.4
Pippen 16.8
Kukoc 13.1
Longley 7.9
Harper 6.7

95-96

Jordan 30.7
Pippen 16.9
Kukoc 10.8
Harper 8.8
Longley 8.3

91-92

Jordan 34.5
Pippen 19.5
Grant 11.3
Paxson 7.9
Armstrong 7.3


This is good data; however, it doesn't capture everything completely. Points per game is certainly important, but can be deeply skewed by the number of attempts made (fieldgoal made-attempt, or FGM-A on nba.com). I'm sure that if someone were shoot 100 shots per game, he is bound to make at leaset 20 shots (I hope). The point system will capture only 40 points per game, but not the number of attempts. In looking back to jordan's time, 1991-1992 he made 943 out of 1818 field goals, bringing his shooting percentage to a fascinating .519. In 1995-1996, he shot a .495 percent and in 1997-1998, Jordan .465. This is an overall shooting percentage, including playoffs (too much work to dig up jordan's shooting percentage merely in the playoffs, but I can't imagine it too far stretched away from his overall percentage). If you were to look at Rose's shooting percentage in his current playoff situation (4 games thus far), he shot 88 times and made only 31 of them. That brings his shooting percentage to a mere .352, which is much lower than Jordan's. In fact, if you were to look at a team who can win it all at the end, at least a few of them will be in the .400 and it won't be a surprise to see the star player (such as jordan) inching closer to the 500 mark (or surpassing it in Jordan's 1991-1992 era). D-Rose is a fantastic player, but at his current rate, it'll be hard for the bulls to win it all unless rose and others step it up a notch.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2011, 23:56
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Alright folks, now that we're in playoff season and as I'm sure everyone who's an NBA fan has a team that he/she is cheering for, here's my take on it.

As much as I enjoy watching D-Rose tearing it up on the floor against the Pacers, it'll be hard for the Bulls to make it too far in the playoff if the team itself can't step up to the plate. A team requires more than just a one-man show (i.e. Rose right now) puttnig up 39 points a game. It has to be a well-balanced team, with all positions covered. Boozer stepped it up on the second game, but he's got a lot to show still. Overall, I'm liking the Bulls if they're able to conquer their own mentality. the boston-ny games have been quite exciting. Who would've thought that NY could put up such a fight against the champion of the east side from last year. I'm still going for the celtics on this round though. The heat, nothing to say there.

In terms of the west side, I wouldn't worry too much for the lakers. I think lakers will prove it to themselves and to the fans that they're still able to take down another championship ring this season. A lot of games are on tonight and I'm sure there's going to be some upset still, but it's going to be interesting coming down the wire.


Actually a "one-man show" can win the NBA championship.. check out these stats (courtesy a comment from ESPN after Game 2 of the Bulls-Pacers series):

Here are this year's Bulls playoffs scoring statistics for the top 5 scorers:

Rose 37.5
Deng 16.0
Boozer 14.5
Korver 9.0
Noah 7.0

Now, here are the stats for the top five scorers for 3 other title years for the Bulls:

97-98

Jordan 32.4
Pippen 16.8
Kukoc 13.1
Longley 7.9
Harper 6.7

95-96

Jordan 30.7
Pippen 16.9
Kukoc 10.8
Harper 8.8
Longley 8.3

91-92

Jordan 34.5
Pippen 19.5
Grant 11.3
Paxson 7.9
Armstrong 7.3


This is good data; however, it doesn't capture everything completely. Points per game is certainly important, but can be deeply skewed by the number of attempts made (fieldgoal made-attempt, or FGM-A on nba.com). I'm sure that if someone were shoot 100 shots per game, he is bound to make at leaset 20 shots (I hope). The point system will capture only 40 points per game, but not the number of attempts. In looking back to jordan's time, 1991-1992 he made 943 out of 1818 field goals, bringing his shooting percentage to a fascinating .519. In 1995-1996, he shot a .495 percent and in 1997-1998, Jordan .465. This is an overall shooting percentage, including playoffs (too much work to dig up jordan's shooting percentage merely in the playoffs, but I can't imagine it too far stretched away from his overall percentage). If you were to look at Rose's shooting percentage in his current playoff situation (4 games thus far), he shot 88 times and made only 31 of them. That brings his shooting percentage to a mere .352, which is much lower than Jordan's. In fact, if you were to look at a team who can win it all at the end, at least a few of them will be in the .400 and it won't be a surprise to see the star player (such as jordan) inching closer to the 500 mark (or surpassing it in Jordan's 1991-1992 era). D-Rose is a fantastic player, but at his current rate, it'll be hard for the bulls to win it all unless rose and others step it up a notch.


I guess we should compare apples to apples.. looking at Rose's FG% for just 4 games is too small a sample.. 2 ordinary games skew that number big time.. his FG% for the entire season is .445 which is not too far off from Jordan in 97-98 (.465).. not saying that they have a easy road ahead.. my original point was just to refute the claim that the reason they wont be able to make it is because theyre a one-man team.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2011, 09:52
any one-man team still needs a sidekick.

Jordan and Pippen
Kobe and Gasol
D-rose and Boozer
Lebron and Wade

and the list goes on and on :)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2011, 15:37
I agree with you, staind. Four games is simply way too hard to judge. I'm a big rose fan and I honestly hope the bulls make it to the finals this year. I guess we'll see :-D
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 24 Apr 2011, 23:38
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I agree with you, staind. Four games is simply way too hard to judge. I'm a big rose fan and I honestly hope the bulls make it to the finals this year. I guess we'll see :-D


Yeah I think home court advantage will be a big factor.. but yeah only time will tell!
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 07:23
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any one-man team still needs a sidekick.

Jordan and Pippen
Kobe and Gasol
D-rose and Boozer
Lebron and Wade

and the list goes on and on :)


oh buddy, what happened to game 4 between lakers and hornets?!??!?
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 13:28
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any one-man team still needs a sidekick.

Jordan and Pippen
Kobe and Gasol
D-rose and Boozer
Lebron and Wade

and the list goes on and on :)


oh buddy, what happened to game 4 between lakers and hornets?!??!?


kobe sprained his ankle and gasol got hit in the face with the ball. it's ok. every team has their ups and downs.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 19:49
Lakers have been keeping things interesting in recent times... if I recall, they only swept one or two series since 2001 or something...

also, black mambas don't need ankles! hah!
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 20:19
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Lakers have been keeping things interesting in recent times... if I recall, they only swept one or two series since 2001 or something...

also, black mambas don't need ankles! hah!


oh man, that ankle twist last night looked like it hurt a lot...
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 20:51
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Lakers have been keeping things interesting in recent times... if I recall, they only swept one or two series since 2001 or something...

also, black mambas don't need ankles! hah!


oh man, that ankle twist last night looked like it hurt a lot...



Probably milking it for some misdirection as most athletes in playoff games do (im not just talking NBA, look at Jets football... lol)

i suppose his numbers will speak for themselves tomorrow... seems weird not to get an MRI, and I feel like theres more to it than just a star athlete in denial or being stoic. (its not pain that is foreign, just ice, tape and go)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 21:59
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Lakers have been keeping things interesting in recent times... if I recall, they only swept one or two series since 2001 or something...

also, black mambas don't need ankles! hah!


oh man, that ankle twist last night looked like it hurt a lot...



Probably milking it for some misdirection as most athletes in playoff games do (im not just talking NBA, look at Jets football... lol)

i suppose his numbers will speak for themselves tomorrow... seems weird not to get an MRI, and I feel like theres more to it than just a star athlete in denial or being stoic. (its not pain that is foreign, just ice, tape and go)


Perhaps. We shall see as only time will tell.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 26 Apr 2011, 21:18
looked pretty bearable to me... on to game 6!
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2011, 06:49
Kobe completely picked up the momentum starting second quarter and once that happens, it's game over. We'll see if lakers can replicate that energy when it's at hornet's home.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2011, 07:42
my homies lakers doing what they do best....puttin' kids away at the playoffs :)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2011, 10:50
Seems this board is a bit laker heavy but seriously...

DID YOU NOT SEE THAT REVERSE LEFT HANDED DUNK THROUGH TRAFFIC? Kobe hurt? Haha.

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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2011, 13:16
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Seems this board is a bit laker heavy but seriously...

DID YOU NOT SEE THAT REVERSE LEFT HANDED DUNK THROUGH TRAFFIC? Kobe hurt? Haha.

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why yes, it is. i'm also the moderator of this forum so go figure :-D
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 27 Apr 2011, 16:52
Right when he did that dunk, I said "that's going to be replayed at least a dozen times". Awesome dunk. Awesome game.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2011, 18:32
could switching to geico really save you 15 percent or more on car insurance? did the lakers just shut down the hornets in the playoffs? :)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2011, 18:40
"what, do you live under a rock?"

extra rest for Kobe & co.

bring on the... mavs? pff!
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 28 Apr 2011, 18:48
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"what, do you live under a rock?"

extra rest for Kobe & co.

bring on the... mavs? pff!


don't discount the blazers yet :P
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