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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 17 Feb 2011, 15:38
Overall though, basketball season takes a huge toll on its players, mainly because of the sheer number of games played. Unlike football, basketball games could occur back to back, night to night. This wears the older players down. Look at thunders and their young players, they're able to run up and down the court for a much longer period of time, and I won't be surprised to see them continue running up and down the court even if a game were 100 minutes long. Lakers and Celtics are two older teams, with an average age probably skewed toward 26(?). Add onto the age problem with the number of games played, it really takes a toll on players.

However, to trade shannon brown makes little sense to me right now though. Who's going to hold the fort down when kobe and fisher resting during second and third quarter? Shannon Brown generates a certain momentum when needed and I think that momentum is quite important to continue pushing the lakers on the year. I personally don't know the benefits of getting rid of jordan farmar either. At any rate, I think if lakers were to rid of shannon brown, someone has to step up the plate (again, keep in mind that both kobe and fisher are getting old now). Artest simply needs to work a bit harder. I think his confidence has been stripped away because he didn't use to play the way he does now when he was back in the days. His corner threes need to improve because he doesn't really make them. Not only that though, when you shoot a corner three and miss, chances are the ball is going to bounch to the top of the key. Right now lakers got gasol and bynum on the offensive rebounds but granted both are not the best defensively. One good thing about the lakers is that even though it's an older team, the sheer "length" of arm-to-arm is amazing. Lakers got huge players, with long arms, good jumps, and good skills.

Overall, lakers is a good team, but vwjetty, you're absolutely right. The inconsistency is something that lakers needs to look at as we head into the playoffs. Lakers definitely has a chance to go to the finals again but a lot has to depend on the players themselves. I'm not quite worried about the losses this year just yet because I've always believed that lakers is a team that gets stronger when playing with a stronger team, and loses its focus when playing a weaker team. Obviously, teams that get into the playoffs are all teams that performed well during the season. It's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens during the playoff and who reigns supreme.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 17 Feb 2011, 21:00
update** sprained my ankle today at the gym playing ball.

note to self: next time bring your basketball shoes as running shoes is an inadequate substitute.

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Artest is slipping everywhere. Maybe he's getting old or having a bad season but in my book, if you're not helping the team, you're hurting the team. And for the side line jumper shots, which are my favorites by the way when I play, he needs to figure out how to make them go in especially when he's wide open...no excuse what-so-ever for missing those.

I would really like to see the Laker's get championship again this year, but so far it doesn't look too good for them. Celtics and Heat is stiff competition. And also, if you noticed, how many turnovers does the Lakers get every game?! A LOT. That's something that has GOT to change. All these team fouls, personal fouls, offense and defensive fouls stack up quick and cuts down point potential.

I will say though that Gasol is doing a hell of job down low in center mid. I'd rank him right up there with Derek from the Dallas Mavericks, just overall a great shooter, knows how to get the finger roll and lay it in strong. As for Shannon Brown, ehh....I see him more as a temporary patch when the big kids are sitting out but definitely not a score keeper by any means. Artest, again, the same way.

Just saw the Bulls vs the Mavericks. Terry and Derek is killing it in the first half. Sad to see Phoenix not having a chance at the place offs this year but they really just need a better line-up. And I also think a lot of people really under-estimate Steve Nash. Great player, incredible passes and assists and has an eye for the easy net score. Just that his team can't seem to follow through. Which leads me to my next point, imagine the Suns with a player like Carmelo, HUGE HUGE HUGE advantage. It would rival the Kobe/Gasol duo I think. I'd also like to see Nash do some more shots and shooting by himself, but I understand he's getting older so he's taking a more laid back roll.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 17 Feb 2011, 21:29
Nash, by any measures, is one of the best players in the game. Looking back at when he didn't even turn pro, up to tonight's game, he has been performing above and beyond. It's really sort like reggie miller, who was a great player, but just didn't have the team around him. I'm not sure if a Carmelo Anthony up in the Suns will do much help. When Suns had Stoudemaire, they were awesome couple, but 2 players can't carry a team of 5. Much like Jordan and Pippen's time, you still need Kerr and Rodman to do the other projects on the floor. I do feel bad for Steve Nash, being so loyal to a team but sort of the feeling of always a bridesmaid, never a bride. I hope he does make it out with something eventually.

Going back to Shannon Brown point; true as he has been the "backup" of the big kids when they're resting. But the truth of the matter is, someone needs to be the backup when big kids are taking a break. With that, a good backup is always better than a bad backup. Shannon Brown has got the speed to get down the court and push the speed limit of the opponent as we have seen many times. He can make those jump shots, perform lay-ups, and such. We'll definitely see some interesting games as playoffs unravel themselves.

In terms of eastern conference, let's not discount the Bulls. Seeing how the Bulls fared against the Spurs (finally pushing the Spurs' losses into double-digits...), D-Rose and the rest can definitely take up the challenge that Celtics and the Heat. Celtics is definitely a strong team, with a great player in pretty much any position imaginable. As for me personally, I'm definitely rooting for the bulls come playoff. I just enjoy watching D-Rose take the floor and just do his thing. We'll see though, we'll see =)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2011, 17:19
You can watch the All Star Saturday Night events here: http://www.tnt.tv/sports/nba/allstar11/ . And here is a really cool Facebook visualization of All-Star Weekend http://www.nba.com/allstarpulse/app.html
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2011, 22:54
good stuff. i'll definitely be watching and giving my own little twist on my own personal thoughts and analysis of the game afterwards :) stayed tuned.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2011, 11:54
Right after Blake Griffin jumped over the car and I watched the replay, I really didn't think it was over the top or anything. His previous two dunks were awesome, but I have no idea what or why he chose to perform the jumping car for his last dunk. Sure, the aesthetic and the choir was cool, but the dunk itself was just adequately average.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2011, 23:21
blake griffin either way...is a monster :) he needs to get out of the LA clippers and get into the LA Lakers :)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 08:51
Dude is definitely up and coming. The best thing about him is that he's still young and has a lot more years to go. I think given a few years he'll be one of the best players who can dominate the key and shoot.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 09:16
:-D

Are we really talking about Blake Griffin when my beloved Knicks just gutted their entire starting lineup to acquire Carmelo Anthony?

Carmelo acquisition is fine. I am also excited about Billups. But I am more worried about Knicks losing D Walsh. What's the point of acquiring 2-3 superstars if Walsh isn't around to round out the roster? Dolan and Thomas will destroy my team again. Then maybe I will completely stop following NBA, just like I stopped following hockey (and Rangers) when my beloved Rangers lost yr after yr after yr from late 90's to 2005......
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 10:11
never followed the NHL lol but I can say that the new york knicks will be in some serious trouble either way they go.

be good to see carmelo get a starting line up with the lakers lol. i was kinda hoping for it since kobe stopped the interviewer from asking question about it to carmello during the all-star game :)

all in all though, i think this carmelo thing needs to stop. either trade or stay. it's starting to get old now that every NBA game there's some talk about his move either at the half-time report or during the game. they definitely blew it up WAYYYY out of proportion i think. and the point is, why would the nuggets want to get rid of him? do they want to be the next cavaliers?

and to answer your question nink, don't think there is anything wrong with have more than 1 super star player on a team. look at the heat, look at the celtics, and they're doing phenomenal.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 12:47
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Are we really talking about Blake Griffin when my beloved Knicks just gutted their entire starting lineup to acquire Carmelo Anthony?

Carmelo acquisition is fine. I am also excited about Billups. But I am more worried about Knicks losing D Walsh. What's the point of acquiring 2-3 superstars if Walsh isn't around to round out the roster? Dolan and Thomas will destroy my team again. Then maybe I will completely stop following NBA, just like I stopped following hockey (and Rangers) when my beloved Rangers lost yr after yr after yr from late 90's to 2005......


Not knocking on the Knicks or any of its players, but I think the players that got gutted for the Anothony trade are replaceable players. Overall, I think this was a good move for the Knicks and I think we are going to see consistent scoring in a Mike D'Antoni's offense. The thing that I'm worrying for the Knicks is how it's not going to be so defensively inclined. As far as the lineup itself, it should be fairly easy to build up an attractive core consisting of Carmelo and Amare. And at this current situation, I can't imagine that there isn't a line of players dying to join the Knicks now, not only because of the elite players but because of (ready for the cliche?) location, location, location! I think there are very few cities that can compete with the attractive glamour that New York has to offer (probably besides LA, San Fran, and Miami).
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 13:02
don't like the knicks too much nor the mavericks or the spurs or the wizards or the cavaliers. not too sure why. i think their line up is kind of boring. same people doing the same moves like derk with the same left hand hook and under-the-basket move...gets old.
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lol, jetty, you just love your lakers too much =P
lakers had pretty much the same lineup for years!!!
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 18:26
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lol, jetty, you just love your lakers too much =P
lakers had pretty much the same lineup for years!!!


true. but kobe kinda puts a spin on things, makes it fun, makes it interesting.

celtics, well, KG is the most hated player in the NBA because some say he plays dirty, others say he's just too into the game, either way, a good fight on the court is always amusing.

phoenix, steve nash, nothing else to say. i've started to collect a little playbook of all his plays - it's sweet.

miami, big 3, always entertaining.

nuggets, this will get interesting soon enough, seeing as how they just lost carmelo...

knicks on the other hand, might turn out to be an interesting game to watch...and that's a BIG maybe...i still think they have a lot of work to do. a lot of dead-weight on their team. i actually don't know anyone else half way decent on their team besides amar....who knows...point of the day...and here it is...

just because you have a good player doesn't mean you have a good team. and i stand by that 100% of the way....
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 19:25
[quote="vwjetty]just because you have a good player doesn't mean you have a good team. and i stand by that 100% of the way....[/quote]

Certainly agree with this statement. It goes all the way back from history of basketball.

Well, from when I started watching pro-basketball, back in the 80's of the lakers and 90's with the bulls. Each team who won championship had not just a strong person, but a strong person with an unbelievable support from the other 4 on the court.

We'll see as the latter half of the season unravels. It'll certainly be interesting.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 21:24
I am so proud of our young gunz, Wall and McGee. McGee actually won the Slam Dunk Contest, there is no way one can win over Blake when fans decide the champ.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 22 Feb 2011, 21:42
And it's only going to get better and better over the years. Imagine what these slam dunk contests are going to be like in 2030!!!
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 23 Feb 2011, 01:12
HOW ABOUT THEM LAKERS BABY?!??!?!?!?! 104-80 against the hawks! :)

my boy derek fischer ON FIRE with 3/3 consecutive field goals right off the jump ball at the very beginning! that's the kind of aggressiveness i'm talking about! my fellow gmat comrades, it is plays like that that win championships :)

odom, doing his same thing from the corner jumper all good. no negative feedback for him.

artest, with the wide-open air-ball, which was disappointing but he definitely made it up with that sneaky sneaky steal a few possessions later.

kobe, beast, nothing more to say haha

gasol, doing his thing.

really impressed with shannon brown though, just that explosiveness. notice how he's always game for the fast breaks and easy slams. like that a lot.

steve blake...is it just me or does he need to gain some weight and muscle? I see him dribbling the ball around and it looks like he's just get knocked up back and forth by the defendant players. can't drive, can't shoot, can't really rebound either, and don't do much assists.

Ebanks, haven't seen him in awhile good to see him do his thing. He's defintely got a lot in him.

Joe Smith, LOVE his energy man. He's an older guy but he has that knowledge, energy, adrenaline, and drive. Definitely keeper.

Now the bad part....fortunately, there isn't many.

Luke Walton - WTF is this kid?! Can't drive, can't shoot, can't assist, loses the ball, can this kid dribble? Not to be an ass, but man, I've played all years of intermurial basketball in college, which is probably a little different from NBA but wow, talk about USELESS. And he's slow...can't run for crap. like....what?! And he's on payroll?! Are you serious? I think I could probably be a better player than him, and I'm not trying to say I'm a MVP or anything but that dude just pissed me off.

In business, this is called sunk cost and dead-weight lose :)
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 06 Mar 2011, 21:06
anybody check out that lakers vs spurs game?

or the celtics vs Milwaukee game?

heard it was EPIC.
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Re: NBA basketball fans out there? [#permalink] New post 06 Mar 2011, 21:50
watched both.

Lakers and Spurs were an okay game, only because the margin between their scores got bigger and bigger. Once it hit a 30-point margin, it's pretty much a done deal (sort of like how I don't enjoy watching a football game that's at 42-7). Lakers did everything right today and played fantastic defense. This is probably one of the best games I've seen from the lakers this year. If they continue to play the same way as today, Phil Jackson should have his second championship ring for his toes.

In terms of celtics and bucks, now that was a great game. By halftime, celtics was down by 6 points and I remember saying to myself that chances are, Celtics will still win the game. The game pretty much came down to the very last minute, with bucks missing just a couple of very crucial shots. Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce delivered as usual; however, Rondo was unimpressive. I think he accumulated a mere 2 point during the game, but had 5 turnovers. That's huge! That's doing more damage to his own team. I wouldn't be too alarmed about Rondo. Much like anything else in life that requires a bit of luck, basketball games are just just the same. At the end of the day, a win's a win and Celtics is still #1 seed in the eastern conference. Only several more weeks until we get down to the final business. I can't wait.
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