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# Never say Never - GMAT 4th attempt - 730(Q50,V38)

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pkum036 wrote:
pretzel wrote:
How did you score for AWA?

i got 6/6 on AWA so I am happy with that too

Wow how did you do that? Can you give us some tips?

AWA - Here are my notes that i used for the exam

Points to note:
1) Write at least 4-5 paragraphs. I normally wrote 4 paras.
- In the first para, I re-iterated what the author concluded or recommended. Then explained the evidence the author gave to support the conclusion. In the end, I focused on suggesting that the conclusion is flawed and the reasons are explained in the following paragraphs
- Second and third paras, I attacked two or three flaws or discussed the unstated assumptions that the author has not considered.
- Forth para, I said that the argument is flawed and then gave reasons as to how can the author make the argument more logically acceptable.

You can used any of the examples in different paras to create the structure of the essay. I practised around 20 paras before the exam so that the main structure was embedded in my brain and I just needed to identify the flaws and logically argue those points.

Para 1
- Citing facts drawn from the....
- In the argument, the author concludes that [X is Y]. The conclusion is based on the following two facts: (1) [Fact 1] ; (2) [Fact 2]
- [X] recommends that...... To support this recommendation, the author points out that....
- Based on [X], the author predicts/recommends/concludes that [X is Y]
- The line of reasoning is problematic for several reasons.
- The conclusion is not warranted by the evidence and is unconvincing for several reasons
- Neither of the reasons provide sufficient support
- This conclusion is not convincing as it stands

Para 2 and 3
- First of all, the author's conclusion goes beyond the evidence.
- Secondly, the author fails to mention/consider/establish [X] and/or [Y]
- The author's argument is based on the assumption [X]
- The only reason offered by the author is the claim that.....
- Withoug compelling evidence to support this critical assumption, the author's recommendation/conclusion is not worthy of consideration.
- But the authors generalisation is based on [X] is unreliable
- The statistics cited in the [X] maybe misleading because .....
- The problem with the argument is that [X] is/are not necessarily representative of the views of [Y] in general.

Para 4
- The conclusion is not convincing as it stands
- Consequently, I am not convinced that .....
- In conclusion, to convince me that [X], the author would have to provide evidence that.....
- In conclusion, the argument is weak. To make the argument more logically acceptable, the author must demonstrate that.....
- In addition, to further strengthen the argument, the author must provide evidence to show that....
- The argument is weak because it depends on an oversimplified assumption about the causal connection between [X] and [Y]. To strengthen the argument, the author must identify and explore relevant factors beyond [X] before concluding [Y]

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09 May 2014, 15:48
Really great tips - I am sure that the community will benefit from these. As long you have your CR (read strengtheners, weakeners etc) hat on, you should be able to craft a well written analysis, especially with the tools provided above. Remember, having a template allows you to focus the time in exam on creating high quality content.

Good luck with the application process. Which schools are you applying to?

-Rajat
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10 Jun 2014, 15:13
Great post!! Very encouraging and motivating!!

Did you find the Magoosh Verbal to be just as helpful as E-Gmat's?
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egmat wrote:
Really great tips - I am sure that the community will benefit from these. As long you have your CR (read strengtheners, weakeners etc) hat on, you should be able to craft a well written analysis, especially with the tools provided above. Remember, having a template allows you to focus the time in exam on creating high quality content.

Good luck with the application process. Which schools are you applying to?

-Rajat

Hi Rajat,

Sorry for the late reply. I have been travelling for work so didn't get time over the last month.

I have already applied to INSEAD for R2 - Jan 15 intake. Based on the outcome for this school, i will apply accordingly for other schools. However, at this stage, I am aiming for top 5 US schools.

cheers
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18 Jun 2014, 16:44
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Great post!! Very encouraging and motivating!!

Did you find the Magoosh Verbal to be just as helpful as E-Gmat's?

Thanks! I found E-GMAT's course more helpful. I would recommend that over Magoosh. However Magoosh's question bank is very good for both verbal and math. So I used Magoosh mostly for its question bank.
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09 Sep 2014, 20:13
Really a very great and motivational debrief...Esp i m greatly convinced with your General tips & advices..Congratulations on such a great score. !!
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23 Sep 2014, 23:05
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mhngo wrote:
I've been lacked of discipline to study so far It's difficult to stay 2-3 hours a day to study because I'm already exhausted from my full time job. Every weekday I'm like open the books then sleep on it, weekends are full of nonsense work pop out of nowhere. 2 weeks until my exam and I'm not feeling any better after studying for more than 2 months. I was panicked, but after reading your debrief, I'm feeling much better. I still have time, 2 weeks or even 2 months, 'd better try harder!

dont give up mate. Just keep at it. But you have to learn how to manage work and GMAT. I worked really hard during the day but when it was time to study, I put everything away. I recommend you do the same. Soon this will become a habit. I used to break down my study - Come home around 6:30pm and either exercise or freshen up. then sit for 1 or 1.5 hours to study (mostly focused on verbal). Dinner for an hour. Then back to study for 1-1.5 hours (focus on math as i was much more tired so math was easier and refreshing). Sometimes, if i felt tired and my Tinnitus was loud, I stopped, relaxed for a longer duration and then came back to study. I normally slept around midnight every night....hope this helps

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23 Nov 2014, 22:28
Congratulations Pkum. 730 is a great score. how are your applications to Bschools coming along. Which course would you recommend for help on GMAT verbal and GMAT Quant.. Would you recommend egmat for someone who is scoring in V20-v25
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Congratulations Pkum. 730 is a great score. how are your applications to Bschools coming along. Which course would you recommend for help on GMAT verbal and GMAT Quant.. Would you recommend egmat for someone who is scoring in V20-v25

Hi, I only applied to INSEAD and got in.

E-GMAT is good for Verbal. It doesnt matter what level you start, you will improve if you commit to it and go through the whole course. Math is practice and timing. IF you understand the concepts, then it comes down applying them to questions and timing yourself. I liked the magoosh's question bank. Frankly you can use any source for math concepts, you cant go wrong.

hope this helps.
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Dear Praveen,

Thanks for chiming in. It means a lot that you took the time out. How is the application process coming along.

We want to thank the community for loving our Verbal courses. In addition, we have made some significant changes since you graduated from the GMAT. We now offer a super comprehensive Quant course. Our Quant course is the only course in the world that guarantees a score up to Q50.

We have also added a fantastic Quiz engine (called eScholar) which has 600+ new full length questions + comprehensive solutions on GMAT Verbal. So whether you need to learn concepts, practice mocks, or estimate your ability you can always just log in to your e-GMAT course and go from there.

eScholar Platform: Take the free trialto know more.

The Quant course also comes with a fantastic free trial.

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12 Jan 2015, 21:43
Thanks guys. I just scored 740. eGMAT thanks for all your help. PKUM thanks for recommending egmat to me.
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13 Jan 2015, 10:21
Wow....what an inspiring debrief...One of the bests I have read so far....You truly deserved this score. and congratulations on your admit to INSEAD...your hardwork and discipline has paid off!!! Well deserved

pkum036 wrote:
surenagastya wrote:
Congratulations Pkum. 730 is a great score. how are your applications to Bschools coming along. Which course would you recommend for help on GMAT verbal and GMAT Quant.. Would you recommend egmat for someone who is scoring in V20-v25

Hi, I only applied to INSEAD and got in.

E-GMAT is good for Verbal. It doesnt matter what level you start, you will improve if you commit to it and go through the whole course. Math is practice and timing. IF you understand the concepts, then it comes down applying them to questions and timing yourself. I liked the magoosh's question bank. Frankly you can use any source for math concepts, you cant go wrong.

hope this helps.
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02 Mar 2015, 02:56
Thanks for the amazing debrief.

I gave my first GMAT exam less than 24 hours ago and scored a mere 640(Q 47, V 31). Choked big time during Verbal. Right now I'm just sitting at work thinking where to go from here. Posts like yours help me keep myself motivated.

Definitely trying out eGMAT.

Thank you!
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All that comes to my mind after reading this post is:
" It ain't about how hard you hit, its about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much you can take in and keep moving forward/persevere and One day.............this one day, the Universe will give up and hand you what you deserve"

Keep up the good work
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05 Mar 2015, 10:26
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Great quote at the end...I just recently scored a 700 (49Q 36V) and I've been debating a retake. I spent about 3 months of diligent studying (2hrs a night and 4-6 hrs on Saturday and Sunday) and its something I don't want to do again, but I feel as though I can score higher. I ran out of time on the Verbal section, something I hadn't done during any of my practice test. I wasn't decisive on a couple questions and it cost me. This post motivates me to start the journey again.

I was in a similar boat - 690 first attempt, so in the median 80% for top schools, but I really wanted to be above the median. I don't regret retaking; I probably wouldn't have landed an M7 school with that score and my work experience (but who knows). Just make sure you're going to put the time in to improve your score; maybe do some prep tests before booking to feel confident. You don't want to show a drop.
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06 Mar 2015, 08:50
Great inspirational story! You are really good at Quant. Did you find the Quant questions were similar to what you had practiced? Any tips on how to score well on the Quant section? I practice a lot from Manhattan GMAT guides but I'm just not doing well on it.
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06 Mar 2015, 16:01
What mock tests did you use? Thank you.
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07 Mar 2015, 10:52
Could you please shed some light on, how did you analyse your mocks and accordingly changed your strategy in the subsequent mocks?
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28 Sep 2015, 09:25
I am glad I came across your post. It is truly motivating.
After a while you start doubting if you can really make it there but your spirit rekindled mine further.
Thank you for sharing your story
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13 Nov 2016, 16:49
Hi ,

Very inspiring and good debrief. Can you tell which Verbal tests are the best predictor of your scores? I gave Manhattan last time and scored 29 V on the real test . I am giving Kaplan this time . My scores fluctuate between 670 - 710 . How good predictor is Kaplan? Any other reliable question bank?
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