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New genetic evidence — together with recent studies of elephants’ skeletons, tusks, and other anatomical features — provide compelling support for classifying Africa’s forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species.

A. provide compelling support for classifying
B. provide compelling support for the classification of
C. provides compelling support to the classification of
D. provides compelling support for classifying
E. provides compelling support to classify
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Re: call for explanation!!! [#permalink] New post 30 Dec 2011, 13:59
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Hi there! I'm happy to help with this. :)

First of all, the subject of the sentence is "New genetic evidence" --- what follows, set off by dashes, is a big prepositional phrase. The subject is singular, so the verb should be singular ----- "New genetic evidence . . . provides . . ." That eliminates (A) & (B).

Next, the idiomatic use of the word "support": in English, we say that one gives/shows support for something. That's natural and idiomatic. To say, "I give my support to something" sounds less natural, more like the kind of mistake someone learning English might make.

Thus, the best answer is (D), singular verb + "for" instead of "to."

Does that make sense? Let me know if you have any further questions.

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Re: call for explanation!!! [#permalink] New post 30 Dec 2011, 14:00
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"evidence" is the subject so you will need the singular version of provide which is "provides".

"Evidence provides..."

"Support for..." is the correct idiomatic usage in this case. You always provide "support for something" (in this case the elephants are the something) and provide "support to someone" (there is no someone in the end of this sentence).

Therefore "provides compelling support for classifying..." is correct.

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Re: call for explanation!!! [#permalink] New post 02 Jan 2012, 06:05
singular verb reqd so eliminate A n B
Support for correct idiom so
IMO D s d correct ans..
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2013, 13:13
For classifying?
Do u think for [verb]ing is a correct form?
E seems to b d correct answer. To classify

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The "tricks" to this question are:
1. Get the right verb tense for provide, eliminating A & B.
2. Look at what the sentence is saying. It's talking about providing support FOR (aka giving reasons for) doing something, not providing support TO someone who is classifying or TO the act of classification. This eliminates C & E.

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Next, the idiomatic use of the word "support": in English, we say that one gives/shows support for something. That's natural and idiomatic. To say, "I give my support to something" sounds less natural, more like the kind of mistake someone learning English might make.
I agree with Mike that support for is more common than support to, but both "support for" and "support to" can be grammatical (e.g. "Hillary Clinton gave her support to the Obama campaign.").

I think Mike's point is also a bit confusing because he's using the words give and show rather than the word in the question: provide.

For example:
(1) The government provides financial support for Mapplethorpe's "art". <-- The gov gives money to Mapplethorpe to make his art.
(1a)*The government provides financial support to Mapplethorpe's "art". <-- They give money to the art? Ungrammatical!
(2) The government provides financial support to the homeless. <-- The gov gives money to homeless people.
(3) Iran provides support to the PLA. <-- Iran helps the PLA in some way.
(4)?Iran provides support for the PLA. <-- Iran helps the PLA, but in this sentence we really need a modifier like military or financial for support.
(5)?Iran gives support to the PLA. <-- Iran gives some sort of physical (tangible) help to the PLA. Probably OK without a modifier.
(6) Iran gives military support to the PLA. <-- Crystal clear.

Some might say that Sentence (5) could be better written as:
(5a) Iran supports the PLA.
but that may change the meaning of the sentence; supporting something/someone ("I support free speech.") and giving support to someone/thing ("Iraq gives support to al Qaeda.") aren't necessarily the same thing.
(5b) Iran supports the PLA financially.
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 10 Dec 2013, 01:38
Idioms:
Provide support FOR something/ somebody.
Support somebody TO do something.

New genetic evidence — together with recent studies of elephants’ skeletons, tusks, and other anatomical features — provide compelling support for classifying Africa’s forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species.

A. provide compelling support for classifying
Wrong. S-V agreement.

B. provide compelling support for the classification of
Wrong. S-V agreement.

C. provides compelling support to the classification of
Wrong. Idiom problem.

D. provides compelling support for classifying
Correct.

E. provides compelling support to classify
Wrong. Idiom problem.

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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2014, 08:40
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Idioms:
Provide support FOR something/ somebody.
Support somebody TO do something.

New genetic evidence — together with recent studies of elephants’ skeletons, tusks, and other anatomical features — provide compelling support for classifying Africa’s forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species.

A. provide compelling support for classifying
Wrong. S-V agreement.

B. provide compelling support for the classification of
Wrong. S-V agreement.

C. provides compelling support to the classification of
Wrong. Idiom problem.

D. provides compelling support for classifying
Correct.

E. provides compelling support to classify
Wrong. Idiom problem.

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I don't get it. Classify is doing something, right?..then why isn't 'support to' is correct?
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2014, 09:43
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I don't get it. Classify is doing something, right?..then why isn't 'support to' is correct?

Dear Klenex,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is an idiom. Idioms are funny --- they don't always follow logic.

If support is directed simply toward a person or an activity, then we use "for" ---
... provide support for that political party ...
... provide support for the indigenous people ....
... provide support for struggling students ....

In these cases, the object of "for" would be a direct object if the word "support" were changed from a noun to a verb
They support that political party.
They support the indigenous people.
They support the struggling students.

Now, if the object of support is a person, we might add an infinitive of purpose to explain the purpose of the support. See:
http://gmat.magoosh.com/lessons/1046-in ... of-purpose
I provide support for underprivileged children to attend private school.
I provide support for the candidate to win her election.
I provide support for veterans to locate medical services.

If there's no object, this sounds awkward.
I provide support to locate medical services.
Something is missing there --- who is getting the support?
Much in the same way
....provides compelling support to classify ....
This also sounds awkward, because the structure makes us expect to hear something about who is given this support.

Also, notice another idiom here. If the word "support" is a verb, and the object of the support is the direct object, then the purpose of the support is given in the form "in" + [gerund]. I believe this is the only verb in which purpose is shown with this structure rather than with an infinitive of purpose.
I support underprivileged children in attending private school.
I support the candidate in winning her election.
I support veterans in locating medical services.

This "in" + [gerund] structure can also be used with "support" as a noun.

Here's a free idiom ebook you may find helpful.
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-idiom-ebook/

Please let me know if you any further questions.

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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 08 Jan 2014, 02:46
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Klenex wrote:

I don't get it. Classify is doing something, right?..then why isn't 'support to' is correct?

Dear Klenex,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is an idiom. Idioms are funny --- they don't always follow logic.

If support is directed simply toward a person or an activity, then we use "for" ---
... provide support for that political party ...
... provide support for the indigenous people ....
... provide support for struggling students ....

In these cases, the object of "for" would be a direct object if the word "support" were changed from a noun to a verb
They support that political party.
They support the indigenous people.
They support the struggling students.

Now, if the object of support is a person, we might add an infinitive of purpose to explain the purpose of the support. See:
http://gmat.magoosh.com/lessons/1046-in ... of-purpose
I provide support for underprivileged children to attend private school.
I provide support for the candidate to win her election.
I provide support for veterans to locate medical services.

If there's no object, this sounds awkward.
I provide support to locate medical services.
Something is missing there --- who is getting the support?
Much in the same way
....provides compelling support to classify ....
This also sounds awkward, because the structure makes us expect to hear something about who is given this support.

Also, notice another idiom here. If the word "support" is a verb, and the object of the support is the direct object, then the purpose of the support is given in the form "in" + [gerund]. I believe this is the only verb in which purpose is shown with this structure rather than with an infinitive of purpose.
I support underprivileged children in attending private school.
I support the candidate in winning her election.
I support veterans in locating medical services.

This "in" + [gerund] structure can also be used with "support" as a noun.

Here's a free idiom ebook you may find helpful.
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-idiom-ebook/

Please let me know if you any further questions.

Mike :-)


Thanks for the explanation. It's clear now.

Pls. give some examples where 'support to' is used..
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 08 Jan 2014, 10:14
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Thanks for the explanation. It's clear now.

Pls. give some examples where 'support to' is used..

Dear Klenex,
As I indicated above, that structure is awkward --- it leaves us with the feeling that something is missing. I'm not sure that there's any sentence with that structure that would be correct on the GMAT SC.
Does this make sense?
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 12 Feb 2014, 11:44
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Klenex wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. It's clear now.

Pls. give some examples where 'support to' is used..

Dear Klenex,
As I indicated above, that structure is awkward --- it leaves us with the feeling that something is missing. I'm not sure that there's any sentence with that structure that would be correct on the GMAT SC.
Does this make sense?
Mike :-)


Hi Mike,

Is "support in "correct idiom.
if it was in one of the answer choices ..
provides compelling support in classifying..

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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 12 Feb 2014, 16:05
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Hi Mike,

Is "support in "correct idiom.
if it was in one of the answer choices ..
provides compelling support in classifying..

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Dear Rahul,
First, I want to correct the grammar in your question. You wrote:
if it was in one of the answer choices ..
and the correct structure is
if it were in one of the answer choices ..
This is the subjunctive mood. Many native English speakers don't understand this and use it incorrectly, so it is often tested on the GMAT. Here's a blog post with more info about it:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... ive-tense/

Now, to your question. Both "support for" and "[b]support in[/b]" are correct idioms, but they have slightly different connotations. Here, the former idiom is correct, and the latter idiom would have the wrong connotation --- it would change the meaning of the original sentence too much.
A provide support for doing X. --- This has the connotation that, wherever the hard work of "doing X" is happening, A is not right there. The support might be financial support, emotional support, philosophical support. Here, the evidence provides intellectually support. The evidence definitely provide support, but when people start actually "classifying Africa’s forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species," the evidence just sits there passively on the page as real people do the work of making that decision.
A provide support in doing X. --- This one has the connotation that A is somehow involve in the nitty-gritty of the work, that wherever the work of "doing X" is done, A is right there in the thick of it. In one way or another, it implies more active involvement than the first idiom. That's not really appropriate in this question about the elephants in Africa.

Here's a free idiom ebook you may find helpful:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-idiom-ebook/

Does all this make sense?
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 11 May 2014, 01:11
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New genetic evidence — together with recent studies of elephants’ skeletons, tusks, and other anatomical features — provide compelling support for classifying Africa’s forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species.

A. provide compelling support for classifying
B. provide compelling support for the classification of
C. provides compelling support to the classification of
D. provides compelling support for classifying
E. provides compelling support to classify
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in oxford dictionaly, there is no "support to something" , so C is wrong.

E is wrong for no idiomatic problem but for logic problem.

do you have support for our government? yes, I have that support to get my salary

"to get" is similar to "to classify" because they modify the main clause/main verb.

(evidence provides support) to classify

this is not logic, because "evidence" can not "classify" .

E is wrong for this reason.
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 11 May 2014, 02:30
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New genetic evidence — together with recent studies of elephants’ skeletons, tusks, and other anatomical features — provide compelling support for classifying Africa’s forest elephants and its savanna elephants as separate species.

A. provide compelling support for classifying
B. provide compelling support for the classification of
C. provides compelling support to the classification of
D. provides compelling support for classifying
E. provides compelling support to classify
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really thanks!!!

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one more thing I want to say
many og problems make us choose between do-ing and a noun form such as "trying" vs 'attempt" and in many problems, noum form is correct. why, the answer is long and you should find it in other thread. I say it shortly. doing must refer to a noun which do the action of "doing). f

why in this problem, doing, "classifying" is correct.

we have to use dedicated noun to refer a general action, if we do not have a noun, for example, if we do not have "learnation" we have to use doing to refer to a general action. to refer to a specific action of a specific noun, we use doing.

why in this problem, doing, "classifying" is correct.

frankly speaking, this case maybe a mistake in official problem. gmat is created by human and so, possibly make mistakes. but, academically, what we should learn here is that the above rule "we have to use dedicated noun to refer to a general action" is preferable not absolute rule.

PREFERABLE VS ABSOLUTE RULE is popular on gmat. for more detail pls, search CORRECT BUT NOT PREFERABLE in this form to read my posting regarding this point. some point of grammar is considered inferior and is used to eliminate a choice can be in the official answers in other sc problems.

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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 11 May 2014, 10:29
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in oxford dictionaly, there is no "support to something" , so C is wrong.

E is wrong for no idiomatic problem but for logic problem.

do you have support for our government? yes, I have that support to get my salary

"to get" is similar to "to classify" because they modify the main clause/main verb.

(evidence provides support) to classify

this is not logic, because "evidence" can not "classify" .

E is wrong for this reason.

one more thing I want to say
many og problems make us choose between do-ing and a noun form such as "trying" vs 'attempt" and in many problems, noun form is correct. why, the answer is long and you should find it in other thread. I say it shortly. doing must refer to a noun which do the action of "doing). f

why in this problem, doing, "classifying" is correct.

we have to use dedicated noun to refer a general action, if we do not have a noun, for example, if we do not have "learnation" we have to use doing to refer to a general action. to refer to a specific action of a specific noun, we use doing.

why in this problem, doing, "classifying" is correct.

frankly speaking, this case maybe a mistake in official problem. gmat is created by human and so, possibly make mistakes. but, academically, what we should learn here is that the above rule "we have to use dedicated noun to refer to a general action" is preferable not absolute rule.

PREFERABLE VS ABSOLUTE RULE is popular on gmat. for more detail pls, search CORRECT BUT NOT PREFERABLE in this form to read my posting regarding this point. some point of grammar is considered inferior and is used to eliminate a choice can be in the official answers in other sc problems.

I wish you comment on my problem so that we can master sc

Dear vietmoi999
I'm happy to respond. First of all, there's no logical problem with (E). It's true that "evidence" can't classify. Remember that an infinitive can have an implicit subject ---
... evidence provides support [for scientists] to classify ...

I'm not sure I understand the rest of your question. The "noun form" of a verb that ends in -ing is called a gerund. That is a good word to know if you would like to understand this form. Here's a blog about gerunds.
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-gramm ... d-phrases/

We don't have to use a regular noun ("classification") instead of the gerund ("classifying"). I don't think that's even a preference. The GMAT has a preference for action, for direct, active language. The gerund is far more active and vital than is the -tion noun, and that is a definite preference on the GMAT.

Does this make sense?
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 26 May 2014, 20:09
evidence provides support for scientiest to classifiy

is wrong. no idiom like that.

"for sb to do st" is correct in some idiomatic phrases.

it is good to learn english. it is good for you to learn english

this idiom can not be correct anywhere

"evidence provides support for your learning of gmat". This is correct. why it is correct? because it is an idioms

"to do" can have no implicit subject as in " plan to learn gmat".

I thing all above things are relevant to idiomatic problem.
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Re: New genetic evidence together with recent studies of elephan [#permalink] New post 26 May 2014, 20:17
I post another thread for another problem.

doing vs dedicated noun.
trying vs attempt.

it is clear that when there is no dedicated noun, we have to use doing as a pure noun to refer to a general action, which is not caused by any noun in the sentence. in this case, we see that "doing" is showned in dictionaries to be a noun. for example, "restructuring" appears in the Oxford dictionary as a noun. but we do not see "trying" in this dictionary.

learning of english is good.

if the noun dose exist, gmat dose not allow the use of doing as general noun. or in other words, there is no the "doing" in the dictionary as a noun. this point is showned in the og question "organization's trying to render harmless..."

in this problem, "classification" , a dedicated noun exist but gmat uses "classifing" to refer to a general action

this is wrong.

Mike, pls discuss with me about this problem.
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