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In an attempt to reduce the crime rate, the governor is getting tough on criminals and making prison conditions harsher. Part of this effort has been to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses. However, this action is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal, since after being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A.Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.
B.Former inmates are no more likely to commit crimes than are members of the general population.
C.The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
D.Taking high school level courses in prison has less effect on an inmate’s subsequent behavior than taking college-level courses does.
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The governor’s ultimate goal actually is to gain popularity by convincing people that something effective is being done about crime.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2010, 09:53
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Newspaper editorial:
In an attempt to reduce the crime rate, the governor is getting tough on criminals and making prison conditions harsher. Part of this effort has been to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses. However, this action is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal, since after being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A.Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.
B.Former inmates are no more likely to commit crimes than are members of the general population.
C.The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released.
D.Taking high school level courses in prison has less effect on an inmate’s subsequent behavior than taking college-level courses does.
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The governor’s ultimate goal actually is to gain popularity by convincing people that something effective is being done about crime.


IMO C. What is the OA?
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2010, 10:13
it should be A
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2010, 13:57
I don't get your logic for A. C works to me. If we hold that the courses didn't actually affect the proclivity of released felons to recommit crimes like C infers (because the better behavior wasn't due to the education, rather this good group sought out education) then the narrorator's point against the governor's plan falls apart because the governor's change will actually not encourage criminal behavior.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2010, 18:49
First I thought it is A, but I think the OA is C.

Assumption, assumes that the people who were released and took college level courses, were not already less likely to commit crime.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 03:11
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I don't get your logic for A. C works to me. If we hold that the courses didn't actually affect the proclivity of released felons to recommit crimes like C infers (because the better behavior wasn't due to the education, rather this good group sought out education) then the narrorator's point against the governor's plan falls apart because the governor's change will actually not encourage criminal behavior.

hi , the logic by which i replied A is that in C i think there is change in scope.....
the passage is concerned if guv's plan "to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses" would be helpful however the scope is shifted in C to if these courses are helpful..... only A is the assumption closest to scope
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 07:50
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 08:14
I agree with chetan2u. My answer would be A. See my explanations below.

kirankp wrote:
Newspaper editorial:
In an attempt to reduce the crime rate, the governor is getting tough on criminals and making prison conditions harsher. Part of this effort has been to deny inmates the access they formerly had to college-level courses. However, this action is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal, since after being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A.Not being able to take college-level courses while in prison is unlikely to deter anyone from a crime that he or she might otherwise have committed.Had trouble with this. Seems like a lot of 'negatives'. I re-read it to say "Being able to take college level courses while in prison is likely to deter anyone from a crime he or she might otherwise have committed if he/she didn't take the courses."
B.Former inmates are no more likely to commit crimes than are members of the general population.Out of scope because it mentions general population.
C.The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released. This answer states that all things equal, the inmates who chose to take college-level courses were just as likely to commit crimes after being released as those who do not take the courses. This says nothing about the effect of taking the college level courses.
D.Taking high school level courses in prison has less effect on an inmate’s subsequent behavior than taking college-level courses does. Out of scope because it mentions high school level courses.
E.The governor’s ultimate goal actually is to gain popularity by convincing people that something effective is being done about crime.Out of scope because it mentions governor's goal of gaining popularity.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 15:09
Yeah. It doesn't say anything about the affect of taking college level courses but if the point of the argument that the governor's plan "is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal" because "being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates" then how does this argument not assume that "The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released"?

According to beatthegmat.com (http://www.beatthegmat.com/governor-and ... 14221.html) you guys are right and the OA is A but I don't see how C shifts the scope as to whether or not the courses were helpful. Also, since perserverance reworded A, I don't see how the argument doesn't assume them both. It's okay though. I'll take Manhattan GMAT as soon as I get my bonus and then I should have an eye to discern such differences. Thanks for your help, guys. I guess I just don't get this one. Every so often that happens.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 09 Jan 2010, 23:07
I think its A

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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 11 Jan 2010, 10:03
C acc to me
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 13 Jan 2010, 08:41
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C acc to me
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The OA is C as stated below.

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Yeah. It doesn't say anything about the affect of taking college level courses but if the point of the argument that the governor's plan "is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal" because "being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates" then how does this argument not assume that "The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released"?

According to beatthegmat.com (http://www.beatthegmat.com/governor-and ... 14221.html) you guys are right and the OA is A but I don't see how C shifts the scope as to whether or not the courses were helpful. Also, since perserverance reworded A, I don't see how the argument doesn't assume them both. It's okay though. I'll take Manhattan GMAT as soon as I get my bonus and then I should have an eye to discern such differences. Thanks for your help, guys. I guess I just don't get this one. Every so often that happens.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 13 Jan 2010, 15:26
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 14 Jan 2010, 16:56
what is the source ?

i feel the ans shud be C,same logic as above.

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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 09 Jul 2010, 22:11
I found this question very interesting - there are competing OA's (A and C) doing the rounds - and IMO both of them are correct depending on what we consider the ARGUMENT to be. If the argument is based on the the governor's plan - viz banning the course would constitute a deterrent - then we need to assume that - not being able to take the course would act as a deterrent to commit crimes. Because if it does not - then people would keep committing crimes without paying heed and the governor's plan would fall apart.

On the other hand if the ARGUMENT is taken to be - the author's arugment that the governor's plan is flawed - the author of the passage bases her conclusion on the premise that - people who have taken the courses committed less crime after being released. For THIS conclusion to hold - we must necessarily assume that people were NOT ALREADY LESS LIKELY to commit the crimes anway. If they were then the usefulness of the course would be questionable and the AUTHOR'S argument falls apart.

My question is - what is the right approach in this question? I had chosen C - thinking it is the Author's conclusion whose assumption needs to be ascertained. But after hearing other people's comments about A - I am not sure what this question is really asking... Can an expert help? Testluv? Tommy? Sarai? Please!
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2010, 03:45
Its C .Its one of those sampling questions. negate C and you kill the argument. If inmates are anyway going to be peacefull outside( irrespective of the college course) governor plans works else falls apart.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2010, 08:26
c for me ...

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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 10 Jul 2010, 21:46
The following is Ron Purewal's (i.e the GOD of GMAT verbal) explanation:

nah, this should definitely be (c). you probably just have the wrong answer key.

the argument depends upon the assumption that eliminating college-level courses will have an effect on inmates' rates of recidivism ("counter to the governor's ultimate goal"). in other words, the argument is assuming that the college-level courses CAUSE differences in the inmates' behavior.

if you're going to argue that X causes Y, one necessary precondition (assumption) is that Y DOESN'T cause X.
this is precisely what is asserted in (c), which should be the correct answer.

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not only is (a) in incorrect assumption, but (a) actually runs EXACTLY COUNTER to the argument.

if the presence/absence of college courses will NOT DETER crime, then that is essentially saying that it has no effect.
therefore, since there's no effect, this action will NOT be "counter to the governor's ultimate goal".

hence (a) is not only a wrong assumption; it actually undermines the argument!
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Yeah. It doesn't say anything about the affect of taking college level courses but if the point of the argument that the governor's plan "is clearly counter to the governor’s ultimate goal" because "being released form prison, inmates who had taken such courses committed far fewer crimes overall than other inmates" then how does this argument not assume that "The group of inmates who chose to take college-level courses were not already less likely than other inmates to commit crimes after being released"?

According to beatthegmat.com (http://www.beatthegmat.com/governor-and ... 14221.html) you guys are right and the OA is A but I don't see how C shifts the scope as to whether or not the courses were helpful. Also, since perserverance reworded A, I don't see how the argument doesn't assume them both. It's okay though. I'll take Manhattan GMAT as soon as I get my bonus and then I should have an eye to discern such differences. Thanks for your help, guys. I guess I just don't get this one. Every so often that happens.
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2010, 21:07
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Re: Newspaper editorial [#permalink] New post 11 Jul 2010, 23:37
Interesting question!!
Answer should be C.
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