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1. Nine dogs are split into 3 groups to pull one of three sleds in a race. How many different assignments of dogs to sleds are possible?

2. In how many different ways can a group of 9 people be divided into 3 groups, with each group containing 3 people?

Are both the questions the same?
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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2010, 08:49
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1. Nine dogs are split into 3 groups to pull one of three sleds in a race. How many different assignments of dogs to sleds are possible?

2. In how many different ways can a group of 9 people be divided into 3 groups, with each group containing 3 people?

Are both the questions the same?


GENERAL RULE:

1. The number of ways in which mn different items can be divided equally into m groups, each containing n objects and the order of the groups is important is \frac{(mn)!}{(n!)^m}

2. The number of ways in which mn different items can be divided equally into m groups, each containing n objects and the order of the groups is NOT important is \frac{(mn)!}{(n!)^m*m!}.


In the first case: I think the order is important, as we'll have group #1, #2 and #3 assigned to specific task. So we should use first formula, mn=9, m=3 groups n=3 objects (dogs):
\frac{(mn)!}{(n!)^m}=\frac{9!}{(3!)^3}=1680.

This can be done in another way as well: 9C3*6C3*3C3=1680, (9C3 # of ways of choosing 3 from 9, 6C3 # of ways of choosing 3 from 6, 3C3 # of ways of choosing 3 from 3).


In the second case: I think the order is NOT important, as we won't have group #1, #2 and #3. So we should use second formula, again mn=9, m=3 groups n=3 objects (people):
\frac{(mn)!}{(n!)^m*m!}=\frac{9!}{(3!)^3*3!}=280.

This can be done in another way as well: \frac{9C3*6C3*3C3}{3!}=280, we are dividing by 3! as there are 3 groups and order doesn't matter.
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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2010, 09:06
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So if there are any tasks assigned to the groups then we will have to consider the first case.
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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 04 Jan 2010, 00:10
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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2010, 19:32
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So if there are any tasks assigned to the groups then we will have to consider the first case.


Yes. Consider the following example: there are three teams and three tournaments. In how many different ways can we assign the teams to tournaments?

Answer: 3!


Hi Bunuel,

Please explain how did you get 3! . I am not able to understand how to get this by the above (subgroup) formula.
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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 20 Aug 2010, 08:28
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ro86 wrote:
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So if there are any tasks assigned to the groups then we will have to consider the first case.


Yes. Consider the following example: there are three teams and three tournaments. In how many different ways can we assign the teams to tournaments?

Answer: 3!


Hi Bunuel,

Please explain how did you get 3! . I am not able to understand how to get this by the above (subgroup) formula.
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Tournaments: A, B, C.
Teams: 1, 2, 3.

# of assignments of teams to tournaments is 3!.
ABC
123
132
213
231
312
321

Please check the following link: combinations-problems-95344.html?hilit=factorial%20teams#p734396

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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 07 Jan 2011, 23:03
Hello Bunnel,

In one of the Qs you had explained like this----
In how many different ways can a group of 8 people be divided into 4 teams of 2 people each?
90
105
168
420
2520

AS:
For the first person we can pick a pair in 7 ways;
For the second one in 5 ways (as two are already chosen);
For the third one in 3 ways (as 4 people are already chosen);
For the fourth one there is only one left.
So we have 7*5*3*1=105

Similarly, for this solution we can think as

For the first person we can pick three people in 8 ways(As there are 9 people);
For the second one in 5 ways (as three are already chosen);
For the third one in 2 ways (as 6 people are already chosen);
So we have 8*5*2=80 ways...

But the answer here is 280... form combination formula..
I find both the patterns same so I did it in that way...But The answer I get is 80 not 280...
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Re: Probability [#permalink] New post 08 Jan 2011, 03:31
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Hello Bunnel,

In one of the Qs you had explained like this----
In how many different ways can a group of 8 people be divided into 4 teams of 2 people each?
90
105
168
420
2520

AS:
For the first person we can pick a pair in 7 ways;
For the second one in 5 ways (as two are already chosen);
For the third one in 3 ways (as 4 people are already chosen);
For the fourth one there is only one left.
So we have 7*5*3*1=105

Similarly, for this solution we can think as

For the first person we can pick three people in 8 ways(As there are 9 people);
For the second one in 5 ways (as three are already chosen);
For the third one in 2 ways (as 6 people are already chosen);
So we have 8*5*2=80 ways...


But the answer here is 280... form combination formula..
I find both the patterns same so I did it in that way...But The answer I get is 80 not 280...


In how many different ways can a group of 9 people be divided into 3 groups, with each group containing 3 people?

There should be 3 people in 3 groups:

For the first person we can pick TWO partners in C^2_8=28 ways;
For the second one we can pick TWO partners in C^2_5=10 ways (as 3 people are already chosen);
For the third one we can pick TWO partners in C^2_2=1 ways (as 6 people are already chosen);;

So we have 28*10=280.

Hope it's clear.
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