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Q. No one but him could have told them that the thief was I

A. him could have told them that the thief was I
B. he could have told them that the thief was I
C. he could have told them that the thief was me
D. him could have told them that the thief was me
E. he could have told them the thief was me
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2013, 06:40
after 10 sec i clicked on C and was shocked to see the answer A . my take will still be C .A is outright wrong !!
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2013, 07:16
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Sorry! No to OA. No one but him is wrong. We need a subject case - he- there and not an object case - him-. i.e., no one but ‘he’. But second example, whether me or I, is tricky. For this we need to run the interchangeability test and see if the choices make sense.

No one (but him} could have told them that the thief was I
Him (but no one) could have told them that the thief was I
You can see the absurdity of the second sentence. He cannot be a subject.

But in the second case, You may freely interchange the thief for I
You can say the thief was I or I was the thief. So it is ok to keep it as such.
So which will be the choice that upholds both stances? May be B I suppose
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2013, 08:35
IMO, A is wrong one.
For I and Me, i would go for ME, so C should be the right one.
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 27 Mar 2013, 10:38
No one but him could have told them that the thief was I

I chose answer C and shocked that OA is A,I am wondering weather A is the answer ..please explain
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I consider option A first and found these things wrong
him could have told them -----> who is the subject and who is the object ( ?) ,.

I was confused between B and C
the same point :- should I go with B or C;
then I thought who was the thief ; active voice :- I was that ,passive voice that was me, so thief was me ,never heard it was I ...
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2014, 13:52
daagh wrote:
Sorry! No to OA. No one but him is wrong. We need a subject case - he- there and not an object case - him-. i.e., no one but ‘he’. But second example, whether me or I, is tricky. For this we need to run the interchangeability test and see if the choices make sense.

No one (but him} could have told them that the thief was I
Him (but no one) could have told them that the thief was I
You can see the absurdity of the second sentence. He cannot be a subject.

But in the second case, You may freely interchange the thief for I
You can say the thief was I or I was the thief. So it is ok to keep it as such.
So which will be the choice that upholds both stances? May be B I suppose


Daagh what's up with this one bud? I too thought the answer was B
Please clarify
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2014, 21:53
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This is something I found scavenging the forum:

Rules of subjective/objective pronoun:
1. If the pronoun is the subject of a sentence/clause, used the subjective form; if its the object, used the objective form.
2. A pronoun that immediately follows a derivate of "to be", such as is, are, was and were, should always be subjective.
3. If a pronoun is the object of a verb or a preposition, then the pronoun needs to be in objective form.
4. Special cases -
If a pronoun immediately follows "but", "except" it should always be objective.

So going by the rules:

Q. No one but him could have told them that the thief was I

A. him could have told them that the thief was I
B. he could have told them that the thief was I
C. he could have told them that the thief was me
D. him could have told them that the thief was me
E. he could have told them the thief was me

I think 'HIM' (Objective form) is necessary as it follows a preposition
& 'I' (Subjective form) is necessary after was.

So it should be A- No one but him could have told them that the thief was I

Test of interchangeability fails here ( As Daagh said).. :stupid

I cleared the exam but he failed
I cleared the exam but him failed

According to 4 rule the second option is the correct one :hair :hair
I doubt the validity of these rules.Can any expert validate this question (Souce: Barrons) & the rules. :wall
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2014, 03:04
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 16 Mar 2014, 03:25
What about the rules & the example cited in the post by Justluck...?
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2014, 04:22
Even I picked B.
I have also Barrons 2009 edition but never turned a single page of that book.
I think now I should skim through it at least once.
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Q. No one but him could have told them that the thief was I

A. him could have told them that the thief was I
B. he could have told them that the thief was I
C. he could have told them that the thief was me
D. him could have told them that the thief was me
E. he could have told them the thief was me


NOTE: EXCEPT, BUT, BETWEEN AND ANY PREPOSITION IS ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY OBJECT PRONOUN........HIM, THEM, ME, ETC
EXAMPLE--- except me, but me, between him and me, over me...............etc

HERE-------

No one but him could have told them that the thief was I
HENCE "HIM" CORRECT....no one BUT him........correct

also....the second part.......SINCE " I WAS THE THIEF"........hence " the thief was i " is correct.....

CORRECT ANS = "A".......

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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2014, 09:46
semwal wrote:
summer101 wrote:
Q. No one but him could have told them that the thief was I

A. him could have told them that the thief was I
B. he could have told them that the thief was I
C. he could have told them that the thief was me
D. him could have told them that the thief was me
E. he could have told them the thief was me


NOTE: EXCEPT, BUT, BETWEEN AND ANY PREPOSITION IS ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY OBJECT PRONOUN........HIM, THEM, ME, ETC
EXAMPLE--- except me, but me, between him and me, over me...............etc

HERE-------

No one but him could have told them that the thief was I
HENCE "HIM" CORRECT....no one BUT him........correct

also....the second part.......SINCE " I WAS THE THIEF"........hence " the thief was i " is correct.....

CORRECT ANS = "A".......

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Hi Semwal,

Could you please share your source of above concept as well.

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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2014, 10:33
http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/ ... sition.htm
https://www.boundless.com/writing/style ... oun-cases/
I found some relevant information on above links.

Subject Pronoun:------------------ Object Pronoun
I -------------------------------------- me
we ------------------------------------ us
you ----------------------------------- you
he, she, it --------------------------- him, her, it
they ---------------------------------- them
who ---------------------------------- whom
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 18 Mar 2014, 23:10
Just went through all the links...A is the answer if we go by the rules..But it contradicts the very logical interchangeability rule as pointed out by daagh..

@ Piyush K..Did you find any contradictions in the rules I found in the forum(Listed in the thread earlier)..coz I have not gone into the details of the links you posted..
Also, please list your takeaways if any other than above
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2014, 11:54
JusTLucK04 wrote:
Just went through all the links...A is the answer if we go by the rules..But it contradicts the very logical interchangeability rule as pointed out by daagh..

@ Piyush K..Did you find any contradictions in the rules I found in the forum(Listed in the thread earlier)..coz I have not gone into the details of the links you posted..
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Rules you presented are in line to the explanation given in above links.
I think some expert should help further to differentiate between logical interchangeability and rules.
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 20 Mar 2014, 20:58
HIM cannot be because it should be subject so HE is splitting, eliminate A,D. ME cannot be in the end because again it should be subject, so I is another splitting. The only choice is B
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2014, 00:18
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/sc- ... t5294.html
here is another explanation in favor of C.
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Re: No one but him could have told them that the thief was I [#permalink] New post 21 Mar 2014, 07:04
I chose E. For those that chose option C, why did you discount E? Why is that required?
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