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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2012, 21:39
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A: correct choice; avoids unnecessary shift of tense
B: stone was said to record does not convey any worthwhile meaning. Thus being cited is also ironic, as if it is being cited these days, while it is already confirmed to as a forged one.
C: said to have recorded modifies the stone. Is it logical? In addition, the sentence is a fragment with no prime verb
D: A combi-error of B and C put together

E; said to have recorded is wrong; sentence is also a fragment with the unnecessary intrusion of the sub-ordinate conjunction, which

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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 21 Aug 2012, 23:22
As daagh points out, C, D, and E are all sentence fragments so the question falls quite quickly into choosing between A and B. For B, "thus being cited" is awkward and wordy.
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2012, 16:42
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Answering a PM on this one :).

I think the best split on this one is between those answer choices that are sentences and those that are fragments. For instance, if we take a look at (C), (D), and (E), none of them are sentences. Notice the clause beginning 'which' makes it so there is no verb that describes the Stone. Hence, (C), (D) and (E) can be eliminated. (B) has the dreaded 'being'. And just like that, we arrive at the correct answer, (A).
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2012, 16:53
Could an alternative split be on "explored"?
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 23 Aug 2012, 09:31
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Hi @Sujit2k7,
Now generally regarded a forgery, the Kensingston Rune Stone, a 90-kilogram slab of inscribed stone discovered in Minnesota in 1898, was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored North America in pre-Columbian times.

Since the meaning of this sentence is pretty easy to understand, let’s perform the error analysis here.

1. Singular verb “was said” makes sense and agrees in number with singular subject “the Kensington Stone”.
2. The usage of simple past tense throughout the sentence is correct because it is presenting general information of events that took place in the past.
3. The verbs “was said” and “was cited” are parallel.
4. All the phrases used are correct here. Hence this sentence is correct as is.

POE:

A. was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Correct for the reasons cited above.

B. was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, thus being cited as evidence for Europeans exploration: Incorrect.
1. Use of “was said to record” is incorrect. Now this verb phrase suggests that the stone was supposed to record something. Whether ot has done that or not is not confirmed.
2. Use of “being cited” is not correct.

C. said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence for European exploration of: Incorrect.
1. There is no verb for the subject “the Kensington Stone”. We have a fragment here.
2. I would prefer preposition “by” instead of preposition “of” after exploration.

D. which was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. Relative pronoun “which” is modifying preceding noun “1898”. This modification is illogical.

E. which, said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, was thus cited as evidence for Europeans exploring: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. We do not know what “said to have… in 1362” is referring to.
3. The way this choice is worded, it seems to suggest that evidence was cited for Europeans. This is not the intended meaning.

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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 23 Aug 2012, 12:24
Now generally regarded a forgery, the Kensingston Rune Stone, a 90-kilogram slab of inscribed stone discovered in Minnesota in 1898, was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored North America in pre-Columbian times.

removing the modifiers, the stem reduces to :

The rune stone .... WAS SAID............... AND........... WAS CITED..................... ( we can safely drop the adverb THUS precceding was cited )

WAS SAID ........... AND................WAS CITED ( parallel )

Leading to A = my take
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2012, 11:27
A - has correct parallelism with passive voice sentences
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2012, 10:02
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Hi @Sujit2k7,
Now generally regarded a forgery, the Kensingston Rune Stone, a 90-kilogram slab of inscribed stone discovered in Minnesota in 1898, was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored North America in pre-Columbian times.

Since the meaning of this sentence is pretty easy to understand, let’s perform the error analysis here.

1. Singular verb “was said” makes sense and agrees in number with singular subject “the Kensington Stone”.
2. The usage of simple past tense throughout the sentence is correct because it is presenting general information of events that took place in the past.
3. The verbs “was said” and “was cited” are parallel.
4. All the phrases used are correct here. Hence this sentence is correct as is.

POE:

A. was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Correct for the reasons cited above.

B. was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, thus being cited as evidence for Europeans exploration: Incorrect.
1. Use of “was said to record” is incorrect. Now this verb phrase suggests that the stone was supposed to record something. Whether ot has done that or not is not confirmed.
2. Use of “being cited” is not correct.

C. said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence for European exploration of: Incorrect.
1. There is no verb for the subject “the Kensington Stone”. We have a fragment here.
2. I would prefer preposition “by” instead of preposition “of” after exploration.

D. which was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. Relative pronoun “which” is modifying preceding noun “1898”. This modification is illogical.

E. which, said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, was thus cited as evidence for Europeans exploring: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. We do not know what “said to have… in 1362” is referring to.
3. The way this choice is worded, it seems to suggest that evidence was cited for Europeans. This is not the intended meaning.

Hope this helps.
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How do you identify that in option C said is past participle not past tense?

i chose "C" because i thought "said" and "cited" are past tense.

I am still not able to undertand why "A" is correct and why "C" is wrong?
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2012, 10:26
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How do you identify that in option C said is past participle not past tense?

i chose "C" because i thought "said" and "cited" are past tense.

I am still not able to undertand why "A" is correct and why "C" is wrong?



Read this article to understand the difference between a verb-ed simple past tense and verb-ed modifier:
ed-forms-verbs-or-modifiers-134691.html

If you still have any question, let me know. :)
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 23 Nov 2012, 10:38
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How do you identify that in option C said is past participle not past tense?

i chose "C" because i thought "said" and "cited" are past tense.

I am still not able to undertand why "A" is correct and why "C" is wrong?


Hi there,

Read the following article to understand the difference between verd-ed simple past tense and verb-ed modifier:
ed-forms-verbs-or-modifiers-134691.html
















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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2012, 05:31
Hey,

Can anyone pls explain me why the option D is fragment.

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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 24 Nov 2012, 09:48
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Choice D is part of the relative clause introduced by the relative pronoun which and a subordinate clause and was is the verb for the same; said and cited are past participles; The verb explored in the last part is the verb for the sub-clause introduced by the conjunction—that-- The main clause with the main subject – the Kensington Rune Stone— is just dangling whiteout a verb; Hence D is a fragment
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 01 Mar 2013, 03:25
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Hi @Sujit2k7,
Now generally regarded a forgery, the Kensingston Rune Stone, a 90-kilogram slab of inscribed stone discovered in Minnesota in 1898, was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored North America in pre-Columbian times.

Since the meaning of this sentence is pretty easy to understand, let’s perform the error analysis here.

1. Singular verb “was said” makes sense and agrees in number with singular subject “the Kensington Stone”.
2. The usage of simple past tense throughout the sentence is correct because it is presenting general information of events that took place in the past.
3. The verbs “was said” and “was cited” are parallel.
4. All the phrases used are correct here. Hence this sentence is correct as is.

POE:

A. was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Correct for the reasons cited above.

B. was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, thus being cited as evidence for Europeans exploration: Incorrect.
1. Use of “was said to record” is incorrect. Now this verb phrase suggests that the stone was supposed to record something. Whether ot has done that or not is not confirmed.
2. Use of “being cited” is not correct.

C. said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence for European exploration of: Incorrect.
1. There is no verb for the subject “the Kensington Stone”. We have a fragment here.
2. I would prefer preposition “by” instead of preposition “of” after exploration.

D. which was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. Relative pronoun “which” is modifying preceding noun “1898”. This modification is illogical.

E. which, said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, was thus cited as evidence for Europeans exploring: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. We do not know what “said to have… in 1362” is referring to.
3. The way this choice is worded, it seems to suggest that evidence was cited for Europeans. This is not the intended meaning.

Hope this helps.
Thanks
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Hi Shraddha,
Can 'which' modify anything other than a human for whom we need a 'who'?
In one of the wrong answer choices above, we have which modifying a year. Technically, can 'which ' modify a year?
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 04 May 2013, 08:49
I can also go to A.
but I have a problem
normaly, past simle tense which means a past action in the past is accompanies by a adverb, a specific time in the past. In A, the oa, there is no such adverb.
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 18 May 2013, 02:56
I got it wrong . I had read that present perfect cannot be used with a particular time frame. I remember this reading on E gmat. Can you please help.

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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 19 May 2013, 04:51
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I am afraid that there is no such stipulation that a verb, ( be it past tense, or present or future, generally or compulsorily) needs to be accompanied or preceded by an adverb. If it is there take it if it is not there, forget it . One cannot call it ungrammatical; For example:

I ate - a simple two - word sentence, but a complete one; no need to know what I ate.
I ate mangoes – a verb followed by an object
I ate the mangoes slowly - a verb followed by an object and an adverb.

We can see all the above sentences are perfectly grammatical sentences.

Now, for the difference between a verb such as present perfect and an infinitive; “have recorded” is no doubt a present perfect but “to have recorded” is not a present perfect verb; it is as infinitive ( because of the addition of the word “to”) and called a verbal
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Re: Now generally regarded as a forgery [#permalink] New post 18 Jun 2013, 15:46
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Hi @Sujit2k7,
Now generally regarded a forgery, the Kensingston Rune Stone, a 90-kilogram slab of inscribed stone discovered in Minnesota in 1898, was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored North America in pre-Columbian times.

Since the meaning of this sentence is pretty easy to understand, let’s perform the error analysis here.

1. Singular verb “was said” makes sense and agrees in number with singular subject “the Kensington Stone”.
2. The usage of simple past tense throughout the sentence is correct because it is presenting general information of events that took place in the past.
3. The verbs “was said” and “was cited” are parallel.
4. All the phrases used are correct here. Hence this sentence is correct as is.

POE:

A. was said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362 and thus was cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Correct for the reasons cited above.

B. was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, thus being cited as evidence for Europeans exploration: Incorrect.
1. Use of “was said to record” is incorrect. Now this verb phrase suggests that the stone was supposed to record something. Whether ot has done that or not is not confirmed.
2. Use of “being cited” is not correct.

C. said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence for European exploration of: Incorrect.
1. There is no verb for the subject “the Kensington Stone”. We have a fragment here.
2. I would prefer preposition “by” instead of preposition “of” after exploration.

D. which was said to record an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, and thus cited as evidence that Europeans explored: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. Relative pronoun “which” is modifying preceding noun “1898”. This modification is illogical.

E. which, said to have recorded an encounter between Native Americans and Norse explorers in 1362, was thus cited as evidence for Europeans exploring: Incorrect.
1. Repeats the same fragment error of choice C.
2. We do not know what “said to have… in 1362” is referring to.
3. The way this choice is worded, it seems to suggest that evidence was cited for Europeans. This is not the intended meaning.

Hope this helps.
Thanks
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I understood how "B" is wrong by your explanation.

For C can you please explain what do you mean by " There is no verb for the subject “the Kensington Stone”. We have a fragment here."
can you explain in detail

For D
What is the fragment error. This looks like B to me
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