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# Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35

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Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink]  24 Mar 2011, 21:10
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Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

A) 25
B) 36
C) 38
D) 42
E) 45

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Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink]  24 Mar 2011, 22:04
GMATD11 wrote:
14) of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

a) 25
b) 36
c) 38
d) 42
e) 45

Bring refreshment Volunteered Total
to Supervise 11 35
Volunteered x=? y
Total 11+x 35+y 84

11+x+35+y=84
x+y= 38
x=1.5y
x=24

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is dis the correct method to solve.

when to use double set matrix and when to use venn diagram for two type of information

Are you sure about the OA? I thinker the right answer should be 36. Here is how:

Total = Supervise + Refreshments + None - Both

We are given Total = 84, Supervise = 35, Both = 11 and Refreshments = 1.5*None

So, we get 84=35+1.5*None+None-11 or None = 24

So, Refreshments = 1.5*24 = 36.
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Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink]  25 Mar 2011, 18:00
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14) of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

a) 25
b) 36
c) 38
d) 42
e) 45

when to use double set matrix and when to use venn diagram for two type of information

Most GMAT questions can be easily and quickly solved using Venn Diagrams. (Different people prefer different strategies but I have found that no matter how tricky the question wording is, once you draw the Venn diagram, it all seems very clear)

Check out the Venn diagram for this question:
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Ques2.jpg [ 13.38 KiB | Viewed 12022 times ]

Now, since it is given that
x+11 = 1.5 (84-(24+11+x))
x = 25
So number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments = x+11 = 25+11 = 36
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Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for $199 Veritas Prep Reviews SVP Joined: 16 Nov 2010 Posts: 1680 Location: United States (IN) Concentration: Strategy, Technology Followers: 31 Kudos [?]: 345 [3] , given: 36 Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink] 26 Mar 2011, 23:51 3 This post received KUDOS This can be solved by using Double Matrix too, depends on what you're comfortable with. Please see the attached image. So 2.5x + 24 = 84 => 2.5x = 60 => x = 600/25 = 24 => 1.5x = 36 Answer - B Attachments Parents_Meeting.png [ 10.27 KiB | Viewed 11956 times ] _________________ Formula of Life -> Achievement/Potential = k * Happiness (where k is a constant) GMAT Club Premium Membership - big benefits and savings SVP Joined: 16 Nov 2010 Posts: 1680 Location: United States (IN) Concentration: Strategy, Technology Followers: 31 Kudos [?]: 345 [1] , given: 36 Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink] 27 Mar 2011, 00:08 1 This post received KUDOS Btw, this can be done without either as : y = number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments only x = the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments So 11 + y = 1.5x and 84 - x = 11 + y + (35 - 11) => 84 - x = 1.5x + 24 => 2.5x = 60 => x = 24 and 1.5x = 36 _________________ Formula of Life -> Achievement/Potential = k * Happiness (where k is a constant) GMAT Club Premium Membership - big benefits and savings Senior Manager Joined: 08 Nov 2010 Posts: 419 WE 1: Business Development Followers: 7 Kudos [?]: 50 [0], given: 161 Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink] 27 Mar 2011, 10:36 For me, the easiest way to solve questions similar to this one is by the formula T=A+B-AB+NON _________________ Manager Joined: 09 Aug 2010 Posts: 107 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 24 [0], given: 7 Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink] 29 Mar 2011, 02:50 The Double Set Matrix draws the equation for you nicely. Yes! But, if you can solve it without the help of this tool.. Good for you.. The answer is 1.5 x 24 = 36!! Attachments answer.png [ 3.06 KiB | Viewed 11856 times ] Director Status: No dream is too large, no dreamer is too small Joined: 14 Jul 2010 Posts: 661 Followers: 37 Kudos [?]: 365 [1] , given: 39 Re: is Double Set martix a good option to solve dis question [#permalink] 13 Jun 2011, 06:56 1 This post received KUDOS neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x - 11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B _________________ Collections:- PSof OG solved by GC members: http://gmatclub.com/forum/collection-ps-with-solution-from-gmatclub-110005.html DS of OG solved by GC members: http://gmatclub.com/forum/collection-ds-with-solution-from-gmatclub-110004.html 100 GMAT PREP Quantitative collection http://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-prep-problem-collections-114358.html Collections of work/rate problems with solutions http://gmatclub.com/forum/collections-of-work-rate-problem-with-solutions-118919.html Mixture problems in a file with best solutions: http://gmatclub.com/forum/mixture-problems-with-best-and-easy-solutions-all-together-124644.html Intern Joined: 22 Oct 2011 Posts: 1 Concentration: General Management, Technology GPA: 3.56 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0 Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink] 25 Feb 2012, 21:13 Baten80 wrote: neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x - 11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B Why isn't the overlap substracted also from the parents who bring refreshments? When we are given 35 who volunteered to supervise, we substract the overlap (11), so total = 24; why isn't the final number of parents who voluntereed to refreshments = 1.5x - 11 ? 84 = (35-11) + (1.5x - 11) + x ??? Math Expert Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 27505 Followers: 4317 Kudos [?]: 42383 [1] , given: 6024 Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink] 26 Feb 2012, 00:48 1 This post received KUDOS Expert's post ElDiablo wrote: Baten80 wrote: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments? A) 25 B) 36 C) 38 D) 42 E) 45 neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x - 11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B Why isn't the overlap substracted also from the parents who bring refreshments? When we are given 35 who volunteered to supervise, we substract the overlap (11), so total = 24; why isn't the final number of parents who voluntereed to refreshments = 1.5x - 11 ? 84 = (35-11) + (1.5x - 11) + x ??? Because parents who supervise (1.5x) consist of the parent who supervise AND bring refreshments (11) and of the parents who supervise but DO NOT bring refreshments (1.5x-11). So if we subtract 11 (the parent who supervise AND bring refreshments) we'll get the parents who supervise but DO NOT bring refreshments and no the total parents who supervise. Generally: {Total}={Supervise}+{Refreshments}-{Both}+{Neither} (notice that we subtract {Both} since it's already included twice: once in {Supervise} and once in {Refreshments}); Given: 84=35+1.5x-11+x --> x=24 --> 1.5x=36. Answer: B. Below matrix might help to understand the question better: Attachment: Parents.PNG [ 5.62 KiB | Viewed 10919 times ] Notice that numbers in black are given and in red are calculated. We need the value of yellow box: 1.5x+(24+x)=84 --> x=24 --> 1.5x=36. Answer: B. Hope it's clear. _________________ Senior Manager Joined: 13 Aug 2012 Posts: 464 Concentration: Marketing, Finance GMAT 1: Q V0 GPA: 3.23 Followers: 17 Kudos [?]: 265 [1] , given: 11 Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink] 01 Dec 2012, 22:48 1 This post received KUDOS You can use a chart to help you solve this problem as taught in the MGMAT. = S stands for Supervise and ~S means not Supervise = R stands for Bring Refreshments and ~R means not Bring Refreshments So how to use the chart? = Place in the rightmost corner the total of parents which is 84. = We know that there are 35 who volunteered to Supervise but since we do not know whether they are R or ~R, we put 35 at the bottom of column S. = We know that there are 11 who are both S and R. So we placed 11 accordingly. = We know those who are R is 1.5 times of those who are ~R and ~S. So we use a variable x to denote that relationship. From the chart we can construct our equation clearly. 24 + x + 1.5X = 84 Solve for X. X = 24 We know R = 1.5X = 1.5(24) = 36 AnsweR: B Attachments c.jpg [ 5.94 KiB | Viewed 9231 times ] _________________ Impossible is nothing to God. Manager Joined: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 149 Followers: 0 Kudos [?]: 79 [1] , given: 37 Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink] 20 Mar 2013, 04:16 1 This post received KUDOS The language used in these problems confuses me!! Example : 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic ---> Only supervise + supervise & bring refreshments However, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments --> This ideally should mean: supervise & bring refreshments + Only bring refreshment. But sadly the answer choice has value which = only bring refreshment Any suggestions on how to go about? _________________ Please give Kudos if you like the post Math Expert Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 27505 Followers: 4317 Kudos [?]: 42383 [1] , given: 6024 Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink] 20 Mar 2013, 04:20 1 This post received KUDOS Expert's post summer101 wrote: The language used in these problems confuses me!! Example : 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic ---> Only supervise + supervise & bring refreshments However, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments --> This ideally should mean: supervise & bring refreshments + Only bring refreshment. But sadly the answer choice has value which = only bring refreshment Any suggestions on how to go about? 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This includes people who volunteered to do both - supervise and bring refreshments 35 volunteered to only supervise children: Does not include people who volunteered to do both. How many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments? Overall, how many volunteered to bring refreshments - it will include people who volunteered to do both. There is no ambiguity here. How many of the parents volunteered to only bring refreshments? Now this is only refreshments. Re-consider the calculations done above. _________________ Karishma Veritas Prep | GMAT Instructor My Blog Get started with Veritas Prep GMAT On Demand for$199

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Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink]  23 Mar 2013, 10:49
The difficulty for this question is 750. Impossible! Then some of the questions I came across in the OG are at a 10,000 difficulty
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Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink]  26 Jan 2015, 04:05
I find the best way to do these types of problems is to create a table and fill in the information

Refreshments No Refreshments Total
Supervise 11 24 35
No supervise x
Total 1.5x 84

I figured out the 24, by the fact that the number who volunteered to do both was 11 and the total number who volunteered to supervise children was 35, so the number who volunteered to only supervise children was 24.

from this chart, we know that 84-1.5x=24+x
Therefore, 60=2.5x and x equals 24

However, we are looking for the total number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments, which is 1.5x or 36 (B)
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Re: Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 [#permalink]  26 Jan 2015, 11:49
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Hi All,

This is an example of a modified Overlapping Sets question. While it's wordy, it's based on simple Arithmetic and little bit of Algebra, so it's not inherently a high-level question. You can see from the thread that there are several different ways to approach it and none are really all that complicated (it's more a matter of how you organize the information than anything else). There was a comment about how it couldn't be a 750-level question and that's true. It's not.

While just about everyone sees at least one Overlapping Sets question on Test Day, the adaptive nature of GMAC's scoring algorithm means that the version that YOU see might come with a "quirk" or a "twist" (depending on when it shows up and how well you're performing). The basic organizational approaches are the same though (and the Tic-Tac-Toe Board tends to best handle all of the variations, so it's worth practicing).

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