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Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

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GMATD11 wrote:

14) of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

a) 25 b) 36 c) 38 d) 42 e) 45

Bring refreshment Volunteered Total to Supervise 11 35 Volunteered x=? y Total 11+x 35+y 84

11+x+35+y=84 x+y= 38 x=1.5y x=24

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when to use double set matrix and when to use venn diagram for two type of information

Are you sure about the OA? I thinker the right answer should be 36. Here is how:

Total = Supervise + Refreshments + None - Both

We are given Total = 84, Supervise = 35, Both = 11 and Refreshments = 1.5*None

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GMATD11 wrote:

14) of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

a) 25 b) 36 c) 38 d) 42 e) 45

when to use double set matrix and when to use venn diagram for two type of information

Most GMAT questions can be easily and quickly solved using Venn Diagrams. (Different people prefer different strategies but I have found that no matter how tricky the question wording is, once you draw the Venn diagram, it all seems very clear)

Check out the Venn diagram for this question:

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Now, since it is given that x+11 = 1.5 (84-(24+11+x)) x = 25 So number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments = x+11 = 25+11 = 36 _________________

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neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x - 11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B _________________

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neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x - 11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B

Why isn't the overlap substracted also from the parents who bring refreshments?

When we are given 35 who volunteered to supervise, we substract the overlap (11), so total = 24; why isn't the final number of parents who voluntereed to refreshments = 1.5x - 11 ?

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Baten80 wrote:

Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments? A) 25 B) 36 C) 38 D) 42 E) 45

neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments = x number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 1.5x so, 84 = 35 + 1.5x - 11 + x 2.5x = 60 x = 24 Thus, number of parents volunteered to bring refreshments = 24*1.5=36 Ans. B

Why isn't the overlap substracted also from the parents who bring refreshments?

When we are given 35 who volunteered to supervise, we substract the overlap (11), so total = 24; why isn't the final number of parents who voluntereed to refreshments = 1.5x - 11 ?

84 = (35-11) + (1.5x - 11) + x

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Because parents who supervise (1.5x) consist of the parent who supervise AND bring refreshments (11) and of the parents who supervise but DO NOT bring refreshments (1.5x-11). So if we subtract 11 (the parent who supervise AND bring refreshments) we'll get the parents who supervise but DO NOT bring refreshments and no the total parents who supervise.

Generally: {Total}={Supervise}+{Refreshments}-{Both}+{Neither} (notice that we subtract {Both} since it's already included twice: once in {Supervise} and once in {Refreshments});

Given: 84=35+1.5x-11+x --> x=24 --> 1.5x=36.

Answer: B.

Below matrix might help to understand the question better:

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Notice that numbers in black are given and in red are calculated. We need the value of yellow box: 1.5x+(24+x)=84 --> x=24 --> 1.5x=36.

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You can use a chart to help you solve this problem as taught in the MGMAT.

= S stands for Supervise and ~S means not Supervise = R stands for Bring Refreshments and ~R means not Bring Refreshments

So how to use the chart? = Place in the rightmost corner the total of parents which is 84. = We know that there are 35 who volunteered to Supervise but since we do not know whether they are R or ~R, we put 35 at the bottom of column S. = We know that there are 11 who are both S and R. So we placed 11 accordingly. = We know those who are R is 1.5 times of those who are ~R and ~S. So we use a variable x to denote that relationship.

From the chart we can construct our equation clearly.

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The language used in these problems confuses me!! Example : 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic ---> Only supervise + supervise & bring refreshments However, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments --> This ideally should mean: supervise & bring refreshments + Only bring refreshment. But sadly the answer choice has value which = only bring refreshment Any suggestions on how to go about? _________________

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The language used in these problems confuses me!! Example : 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic ---> Only supervise + supervise & bring refreshments However, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments --> This ideally should mean: supervise & bring refreshments + Only bring refreshment. But sadly the answer choice has value which = only bring refreshment Any suggestions on how to go about?

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summer101 wrote:

The language used in these problems confuses me!! Example : 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic ---> Only supervise + supervise & bring refreshments However, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments --> This ideally should mean: supervise & bring refreshments + Only bring refreshment. But sadly the answer choice has value which = only bring refreshment Any suggestions on how to go about?

You need to actively look for the word 'only' in these questions.

35 volunteered to supervise children: Overall, 35 people volunteered to supervise. This includes people who volunteered to do both - supervise and bring refreshments

35 volunteered to only supervise children: Does not include people who volunteered to do both.

How many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments? Overall, how many volunteered to bring refreshments - it will include people who volunteered to do both. There is no ambiguity here.

How many of the parents volunteered to only bring refreshments? Now this is only refreshments.

Re-consider the calculations done above. _________________

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Hi,

I tried solving this problem exactly as per the method described.

Solving the equation that you have mentioned: x+11 = 1.5 (84-(24+11+x)) x +11 = 1.5 (84-24-11-x) x + 11 = 1.5 (49 - x) Solving for x gives x=29.4 Please help me understand this discrepancy.

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:

GMATD11 wrote:

14) of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

a) 25 b) 36 c) 38 d) 42 e) 45

when to use double set matrix and when to use venn diagram for two type of information

Most GMAT questions can be easily and quickly solved using Venn Diagrams. (Different people prefer different strategies but I have found that no matter how tricky the question wording is, once you draw the Venn diagram, it all seems very clear)

Check out the Venn diagram for this question:

Attachment:

Ques2.jpg

Now, since it is given that x+11 = 1.5 (84-(24+11+x)) x = 25 So number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments = x+11 = 25+11 = 36

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GMATD11 wrote:

Of the 84 parents who attended a meeting at a school, 35 volunteered to supervise children during the school picnic and 11 volunteered both to supervise children during the picnic and to bring refreshments to the picnic.If the number of parents who volunteered to bring refreshments was 1.5 times the number of parents who neither volunteered to supervise children during the picnic nor volunteered to bring refreshments, how many of the parents volunteered to bring refreshments?

Again, unless ONLY is mentioned DO NOT ASSUME that 35 does not include 11 who volunteered to do both (supervise as well as bring refreshments). CRITICAL for such question types. _________________

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