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03 Apr 2007, 09:00
Anyone can tell me a minimum level to be reached on TOEFL in order to aply for TOP 10 schools? I got 95/120 on IBT.
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03 Apr 2007, 11:25
Sorry to say u that, but the general limit is 100/120. Some special cases exist as well. INSEAD asks for a 105.

Thus, u should pass again. Sorry.

PS: U could check it with the business u want to apply for
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04 Apr 2007, 05:36
I see. that's awesome to know I just needed only 5 points more to get there.....oh MY!!!!!!

what I can say: speaking kills, even if you speak everyday .....
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04 Apr 2007, 06:14
The speaking section is terrible, especially because all testmates are speaking at the same time

Good Luck !

I move now your post in the OffTopics forum.
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10 Apr 2007, 11:45
Thanks!
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30 Apr 2007, 02:56
I have a TOEFL appointment 2 weeks from now, and the speaking part is giving me nightmares. The reading and listening mocks I've done so far are both ok (from 27 - 30), the writing I can handle.

I made the IELTS in january and got a 7.5 overall (R8 L8 W7 S7), and the speaking part could have been better if I weren't nervous, but anyway it is ok. Now with the speaking of the TOEFL iBT, it seems like I just do not have enough time to prepare the answers, is that normal? Anybody has any tips?
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30 Apr 2007, 03:17
kwam wrote:
I have a TOEFL appointment 2 weeks from now, and the speaking part is giving me nightmares. The reading and listening mocks I've done so far are both ok (from 27 - 30), the writing I can handle.

I made the IELTS in january and got a 7.5 overall (R8 L8 W7 S7), and the speaking part could have been better if I weren't nervous, but anyway it is ok. Now with the speaking of the TOEFL iBT, it seems like I just do not have enough time to prepare the answers, is that normal? Anybody has any tips?

The only tip that I want u to know is to speak the clearest way possible ... That was not my case and I have spoken too fast as well ... The result was not so much convincing but pulled up by other parts

Good Luck ! :D
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30 Apr 2007, 08:04
kwam wrote:
I have a TOEFL appointment 2 weeks from now, and the speaking part is giving me nightmares. The reading and listening mocks I've done so far are both ok (from 27 - 30), the writing I can handle.

I made the IELTS in january and got a 7.5 overall (R8 L8 W7 S7), and the speaking part could have been better if I weren't nervous, but anyway it is ok. Now with the speaking of the TOEFL iBT, it seems like I just do not have enough time to prepare the answers, is that normal? Anybody has any tips?

Your IELTS is good enough for Harvard, TOEFL should show a similarly acceptable score.
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02 Jun 2007, 14:43
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kwam wrote:
I have a TOEFL appointment 2 weeks from now, and the speaking part is giving me nightmares. The reading and listening mocks I've done so far are both ok (from 27 - 30), the writing I can handle.

I made the IELTS in january and got a 7.5 overall (R8 L8 W7 S7), and the speaking part could have been better if I weren't nervous, but anyway it is ok. Now with the speaking of the TOEFL iBT, it seems like I just do not have enough time to prepare the answers, is that normal? Anybody has any tips?

Your IELTS is good enough for Harvard, TOEFL should show a similarly acceptable score.

I've just received my TOEFL results:
R29 L27 S26 W27 Total 109
I made it, it's even better than my IELTS!

The speaking part break-down shows that in the start I screwed up, but at the other parts I really improved, perhaps something with how anxious I was.

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02 Jun 2007, 23:15
kwam wrote:
I've just received my TOEFL results:
R29 L27 S26 W27 Total 109
I made it, it's even better than my IELTS!

Well done! Congratulations I guess the TOEFL/IELTS is just one more hurdle for us international apps.

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The speaking section is terrible, especially because all testmates are speaking at the same time

you bet - i got a 113 coz i scored a 24 in the speaking section anyways, it clears the cut, so...

Make sure you attack all the other sections with gusto. For the speaking section, think out what you want to say in the time provided, and when you a speaking, keep an eye on the timer.

I screwed up with the timing on one of the speaking questions...

However, speaking in general, how do you rate the TOEFL?

I don't think its the right format - it is supposed to 'mesaure the ability of nonnative speakers of English to use and understand English as it is spoken, written, and heard in college and university settings.'

I mean, talking to a person is not the same as recording something on a computer (You may be better when talking with ppl than when talking into a mike) The listening section seemed too simple, the speech being played back is too clear to be classroom talk. And the other sections are just repetitions of the GMAT Verbal section, or, for that matter, the GRE Verbal section etc...

Where else are TOEFL scores used? H1Bs?
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03 Jun 2007, 00:15
kwam ..... Congrats ! :D ..... One more step is done ... U should be fine with your score

paddyboy, yes, I agree with u. The speaking section is not at all representative of the real ability of a person.

It's too strict in term of time, not realistic (human - mike interaction), weird (feeling to speak alone and on personal matter) and unsure (how is it recorded? what is the quality of the sound).

But anyway, we have to fit

The worst for me was the very very hard time to find a test center ! 2 montrhs and 1000 km, one way, to do in order to reach the center. And no way to have another shot for the next 4 months. That's the hardest part at least for european people who are willing to pass the test.

Good luck for everyone who has to pass it !
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03 Jun 2007, 01:26
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The worst for me was the very very hard time to find a test center ! 2 montrhs and 1000 km, one way, to do in order to reach the center.

WHAT?! But at the brighter side, you probably took some time off for sight-seeing, didn't you? I hope you did - 2000 kms for the TOEFL is just too much!

My centre was a 10 minute drive from my place
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03 Jun 2007, 01:37
Fig wrote:
The worst for me was the very very hard time to find a test center ! 2 montrhs and 1000 km, one way, to do in order to reach the center.

WHAT?! But at the brighter side, you probably took some time off for sight-seeing, didn't you? I hope you did - 2000 kms for the TOEFL is just too much!

My centre was a 10 minute drive from my place

Yes... There is always a bright side ... We enjoyed with my wife "Mont Saint Michel" out of touristic season and Saint Malo .... Very pretty to see it and with such a nice ride (A4)

But, sadly, the rest is true about European ETS Test centers... A disaster. I heard stories of people who have to go in other countries, using aircraft and having a cancelled test beacause of technical issues on D Day. Horrible but true !
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03 Jun 2007, 01:58
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kwam ..... Congrats ! :D ..... One more step is done ... U should be fine with your score

paddyboy, yes, I agree with u. The speaking section is not at all representative of the real ability of a person.

It's too strict in term of time, not realistic (human - mike interaction), weird (feeling to speak alone and on personal matter) and unsure (how is it recorded? what is the quality of the sound).

But anyway, we have to fit

The worst for me was the very very hard time to find a test center ! 2 montrhs and 1000 km, one way, to do in order to reach the center. And no way to have another shot for the next 4 months. That's the hardest part at least for european people who are willing to pass the test.

Good luck for everyone who has to pass it !

I live in Lisbon and had to fly to London to take the test, I was really worried with 2 things: the score and the money I spent with this "bloody" test! At least the score is enough.

The speaking part is simply awful, as FIG said the worst thing is that everybody starts talking at the same time, I think the IELTS methodology is better.

Thanks guys. now I need to improve my verbal GMAT...
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03 Jun 2007, 07:23
Fig wrote:
... and with such a nice ride (A4)

Aah an Audi fan! My favourite is the Audi TT - they are launching it in India!! Awesome

kwam wrote:
I live in Lisbon and had to fly to London to take the test, I was really worried with 2 things: the score and the money I spent with this "bloody" test!

This keeps getting worse!!
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03 Jun 2007, 08:50
Fig wrote:
... and with such a nice ride (A4)

Aah an Audi fan! My favourite is the Audi TT - they are launching it in India!! Awesome

kwam wrote:
I live in Lisbon and had to fly to London to take the test, I was really worried with 2 things: the score and the money I spent with this "bloody" test!

This keeps getting worse!!

They are fantastic for long trips and highways ... Unstoppable and asking more

So, it's surely the new TT that appears now in India:

I have recieved an invite for an A5 show at Luxemburg... I have it at left of me on my sofa ... I will perhaps go for it
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04 Jun 2007, 08:27
The A5 - now THATS a mean ride Awesome!!!
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04 Jun 2007, 12:33
The A5 - now THATS a mean ride Awesome!!!

Sorry Paddyboy... It's a photoshop the one u show

The real A5 is such as this http://www.gmatclub.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=42775
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29 Aug 2007, 20:29
an off_topic: from Audis back to TOEFL
I scored 23 in Speaking. Will it heart much, if the total was 107 (R29 L25 S23 W30)? Actually, I speak well in various situations, adapting my accent to the person with whom I speak (British/American/Eastern European/Asian), but for TOEFL didn't take enough time for speaking, investing all the time available into the GMAT and had to take TOEFL the next day after GMAT also had to travel 2000 kms to take exams.
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11 Sep 2007, 01:41
R.E.D. wrote:
an off_topic: from Audis back to TOEFL
I scored 23 in Speaking. Will it heart much, if the total was 107 (R29 L25 S23 W30)? Actually, I speak well in various situations, adapting my accent to the person with whom I speak (British/American/Eastern European/Asian), but for TOEFL didn't take enough time for speaking, investing all the time available into the GMAT and had to take TOEFL the next day after GMAT also had to travel 2000 kms to take exams.

Not sure, I think you can tackle this problem during the interview. Another way is to put that on the "anything else you want to tak us" part of the application.

I thought a little strange your breakdown, usually someone with W30 gets better L, how could that happen? Were you too nervous?
11 Sep 2007, 01:41

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