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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 08 May 2008, 16:03
I gotta go with E as well. This provides the most convincing reason as to why kids would want to avoid commiting flagrant fouls, and thus suspension.

D is pretty good as well, but there's just no clear link that what they do in the other league will translate to the Youth Hockey League. I'm a bit surprised that B didn't get very much play in this thread. As an avid sports fan who watches a lot of NBA, it's not always easy for the officials to assess whether or not a foul was excessive, and therefore flagrant. I would actually think that B is a more convincing answer than D. In the end, E sounds the best to me.
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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 08 May 2008, 16:11
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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 08 May 2008, 17:08
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OA is indeed E. I have the full OE - will post if enough people want to see it.


Can you? I'd like to read it...

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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 08 May 2008, 17:19
Hi Ryan - here it is :

League officials plan to reduce the number of flagrant fouls by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit such fouls. This plan will work only if the punishment serves to deter players from committing flagrant fouls.

(A) The cause of injuries has no bearing on whether suspensions will deter players from committing flagrant fouls.

(B) While the referees’ effectiveness in recognizing and reporting flagrant fouls will surely aid in the implementation of the new policy, this has no bearing on whether the policy will deter players from committing flagrant fouls.

(C) The parents’ opinion has no bearing on whether the suspensions will deter players from committing flagrant fouls.

(D) While we might conclude that the other, similar league has a low incidence of flagrant fouls because it suspends players who commit such fouls, we have no evidence to show that the suspensions actually deter players from committing fouls. It is entirely possible that the other league has a low incidence of flagrant fouls for other reasons. For example, maybe the players in the other league are just inherently less aggressive.

(E) CORRECT. If players want to make the All-Star team, and if a record of suspension precludes these players from being selected for the team, then players are less likely to commit fouls that will lead to suspensions.
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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 08 May 2008, 17:46
Thanks, mate.. Could you please tell me where you found this interesting question? The explanation for choice D & E are exactly what I had in mind when I answered too.
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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 08 May 2008, 18:51
The source is MGMAT test 1. You can access these tests if you buy any of the excellent MGMAT series.


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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 09 May 2008, 08:16
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I think you guys are disecting the questions too much. For critical reasoning questions there are six types of questions. A good acronym to remember them is SWIMME/R.

Strength
Weaken
Inference
Mimic
Method of Reason
Explain/Resolve

Every single question will be one of these types.

"Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?"

This clearly is a strengthen question.

The first thing you need to do is identify the conclusion.

"League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls."

So we are trying to choose the answer that strengthes their conclusion that mandatory suspensions will reduce the number of flagrant fouls commited by players.

The questions are designed to fit within a certain framework. Once you understand the framework it makes it easier to get the answer.


Hey Gixxer,
Good post, +1 to you. Can you please explain in more details all these frameworks or send some link/material for these frameworks?

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Re: CR - Flagrant Fouls [#permalink] New post 09 May 2008, 10:29
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Hey Gixxer,
Good post, +1 to you. Can you please explain in more details all these frameworks or send some link/material for these frameworks?

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Once you get the critical reasoning framework down it gets easier because you don't get distracted as much.

The argument is comprised of premises and conclusion. Premises are things that are stated and should be assumed as fact.

ex. If the there is a sentence that says "In Colorado there is no gravity." For the sake of the argument you have take this as a fact.

The conclusion is the point that the argument is trying to convince you of.

ex. "Therefore, in Colorado there is no gravity." This now becomes the conclusion because the word 'therefore' indicates that the author is trying to convince us that there is no gravity.

When you read through the passage you should immediate decide what are the premises and what is the conclusion. 70% of the problem is just getting the conclusion right. Once you have the conclusion you can then look at the question.

80% of the problems are either strengthen, weaken, or inference. If you start to get to the method, mimic and explain/resolve problems that means your doing good.

When you look at the question first you should determine if its a strengthen, weaken, inferrence, etc.

"Which one of the following if true, would most strengthen the argument?"

This is the easiest one. If they listed all the questions like this then it would get to easy so the change them to confuse us.

In this problem the question was:
"Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?"

This sounds a little bit more tricky. But if you had to seperate it into a category it would obviously be a strengthen question. So once you realize that you really don't need to know what the question asks us. You should immediatly change the question back to:

"Which one of the following if true, would most strengthen the argument?"

If you notice, most of the people who got the question wrong kept say that E strengthens the argument but it's not what the question is asking. If they would have been trying to just strengthen the argument they would have got the problem right.

So now you should go directly to the conclusion. In this case the conclusion was:

"League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls."

So you goal is to choose the answer choice that strengthens this conclusion. This is why getting the conclusion right is 70% of the problem.

The weaken probles are handled the exact same but just weaking instead of strengthen.

Assumption problems are a little different. You start out the same and identify the premise and conclusion. But in this case there is actually a premise that is missing. The answer choices represent the mssing premises.

Premise + __________ = Conclusion.

On inference question you just have to choose the answer that MUST be true. If you cant point to something to prove for a fact that its true then its not the right answer.

In the books you do many drill just ready questions by themselves to determine what kind of question it is and seperating premises from conlusions. Just by doing these two things you can usually get about 80% of them right without much effort.

One last thing. After you get the conclusion and determine what kind of question it is you should try and think what kind of information you would need. It keeps you from getting off track.

So for this problem:

Conclusion:
"League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls."

We determine the question is strengthen. So before we even look at the answer choices we think what would strength the position that implementing suspensions would decrease flagrant fouls. We are looking for a reason that shows why suspensions decrease flagrant fouls.
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Re: Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2013, 07:05
Hi,

Why not B???
What if fouls were there but were not reported due to referee's untrained skills.


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Officials of the Youth Hockey League MGMAT MCAT (700 Level) [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2013, 06:04
Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players in the league have become concerned with the number of flagrant fouls occurring during league games. This past season, the number of flagrant fouls was double the number from the season before. League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?

A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls.
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League.
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team.
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Re: Officials of the Youth Hockey League MGMAT MCAT (700 Level) [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2013, 06:23
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Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players in the league have become concerned with the number of flagrant fouls occurring during league games. This past season, the number of flagrant fouls was double the number from the season before. League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?

A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls.
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League.
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team.


A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.- Out Of Scope... Incorrect
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.- This is not an evidence.. It just says that they can recognize the fouls... But it doesnt mention if the plan suspension plan will be effective.. Incorrect
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls. .. Incorrect.. Parents support doesnt provide any evidence regarding the effectiveness of plan
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League. Incorrect... This doesnt prove that its because of the suspension that this league has low incidence of fouls..
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team. Correct..... Since they want to be selected for all star team so they will make sure that they dont get suspended... thus the plan will be successful.

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Re: Officials of the Youth Hockey League MGMAT MCAT (700 Level) [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2013, 06:55
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ygdrasil24 wrote:
Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players in the league have become concerned with the number of flagrant fouls occurring during league games. This past season, the number of flagrant fouls was double the number from the season before. League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?

A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls.
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League.
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team.


A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.- Out Of Scope... Incorrect
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.- This is not an evidence.. It just says that they can recognize the fouls... But it doesnt mention if the plan suspension plan will be effective.. Incorrect
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls. .. Incorrect.. Parents support doesnt provide any evidence regarding the effectiveness of plan
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League. Incorrect... This doesnt prove that its because of the suspension that this league has low incidence of fouls..
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team. Correct..... Since they want to be selected for all star team so they will make sure that they dont get suspended... thus the plan will be successful.


In E, lets say a team is of 10 players, and out of 10 about 9 players have incentive to go for All-Star team. If 1 one of the player is not interested in All-Star, why would he be deterred by this ? He can continue fouling....

In D, I agree not very close to argument and does not explain the implication of any deterrence.
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Re: Officials of the Youth Hockey League MGMAT MCAT (700 Level) [#permalink] New post 07 Dec 2013, 07:33
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akankshasoneja wrote:
ygdrasil24 wrote:
Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players in the league have become concerned with the number of flagrant fouls occurring during league games. This past season, the number of flagrant fouls was double the number from the season before. League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?

A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls.
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League.
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team.


A. Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.- Out Of Scope... Incorrect
B. League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.- This is not an evidence.. It just says that they can recognize the fouls... But it doesnt mention if the plan suspension plan will be effective.. Incorrect
C. Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls. .. Incorrect.. Parents support doesnt provide any evidence regarding the effectiveness of plan
D. A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League. Incorrect... This doesnt prove that its because of the suspension that this league has low incidence of fouls..
E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team. Correct..... Since they want to be selected for all star team so they will make sure that they dont get suspended... thus the plan will be successful.


In E, lets say a team is of 10 players, and out of 10 about 9 players have incentive to go for All-Star team. If 1 one of the player is not interested in All-Star, why would he be deterred by this ? He can continue fouling....

In D, I agree not very close to argument and does not explain the implication of any deterrence.

Yes that one person may continue fouling... but in the argument its mentioned"League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls. "

So isnt the plan reducing the no of fouls?... Now instead of ten only one person will continue fouling...
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Re: Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players [#permalink] New post 23 Jun 2014, 12:49
I think E cant be the OA.

E. Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team.

What if less then 49% players not interested to be selected for the All-Star team were involve in all Flagrant fouls, then definitely even suspension threat wont discourage them from committing foul.
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