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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife... [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2009, 04:53
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city92 wrote:
You can all get the answer and explanation from OG, but one thing is not clear to me. I would appreciate if someone can explain:

if you look at the choice c:
C) a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings' burning of fossil fuels.

'is caused' make this a full clause isn't it?
a phenomenon "that most scientists agree" is caused by human...

If inserted into the main setnese above, it should be connected by the conjuncion because it is a independent clause, otherwise it looks like this:
A World Wilfe fund has declard that global warming, a phenomenon is caused by human beings' burning of fossil fuels, will create havoc.....


Obviously, since the answer is C, I suppose i should have interpreted it as
a phenomenon that "most scientists agree" is caused by human...

Then, this will make better sense in main sentense as whole:
A World Wilfe fund has declard that global warming, a phenomenon that is caused by human beings' burning of fossil fuels, will create havoc.....

If so, what is the grammatical function(or name) for this, yet another clause "most scientists agree" in between? (another full clause with no conjunction)

I think it's simple, mate
c) a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels -->that here is a relative pronoun modifies for a phenomenon

As if we commonly think, it can be written as: a phenomenon that is caused by human .... where that here modifies for a phenomenon and stands at the subject position of the new clause

But this clause offered by the choice (C) here is written as: a phenomenon that most scientist agree is caused ... where a phenomenon here is still modified by that but it plays a role of an object in the clause modifying for it, and therefore, most scientists will be the subject of such clause
More clearly, we can re-write it as: most scientist agree global warming (a phenomenon) is caused by human being's burning of fossil fuels --> you can see the object role of a phenomenon, or global warming, in this re-written clause
Such structure is still called a clause modifying for a Noun, and they are connected by a relative pronoun, whatsoever the role of such Noun (Subject or Object) in the modifying clause. Maybe I can't remember its official name, but as I mentioned, lets simply call Noun-modifying clause

hi there! I have searched a lot and this post seems the only one that asks my question. I have read all the replies. But I am still confused.
In the rewritten sentence: most scientist agree global warming (a phenomenon) is caused by human being's burning of fossil fuels, there are two verbs: agree and is caused. this is obviously unacceptable. Even though we see it as most scientist agree that..., two problems remain:
1. agree that appears to not be an idiom, compared to agree with or agree on;
2. even though "agree that" IS an idiom, on GMAT, such "that" can not be omitted and "a phenomenon" can no longer be the object of "agree" so that "a phenomenon" cannot be modified by "that" clause.
Okay, totally confused, plz help me explain it!!! thx!
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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife... [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2011, 21:40
Please help~Why the answer choice B is incorrect and why "that is" should immediately follow phenomenon? I am so confused~><

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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife... [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2011, 05:46
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Minheequang wrote:
city92 wrote:
You can all get the answer and explanation from OG, but one thing is not clear to me. I would appreciate if someone can explain:

if you look at the choice c:
C) a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings' burning of fossil fuels.

'is caused' make this a full clause isn't it?
a phenomenon "that most scientists agree" is caused by human...

If inserted into the main setnese above, it should be connected by the conjuncion because it is a independent clause, otherwise it looks like this:
A World Wilfe fund has declard that global warming, a phenomenon is caused by human beings' burning of fossil fuels, will create havoc.....


Obviously, since the answer is C, I suppose i should have interpreted it as
a phenomenon that "most scientists agree" is caused by human...

Then, this will make better sense in main sentense as whole:
A World Wilfe fund has declard that global warming, a phenomenon that is caused by human beings' burning of fossil fuels, will create havoc.....

If so, what is the grammatical function(or name) for this, yet another clause "most scientists agree" in between? (another full clause with no conjunction)

I think it's simple, mate
c) a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels -->that here is a relative pronoun modifies for a phenomenon

As if we commonly think, it can be written as: a phenomenon that is caused by human .... where that here modifies for a phenomenon and stands at the subject position of the new clause

But this clause offered by the choice (C) here is written as: a phenomenon that most scientist agree is caused ... where a phenomenon here is still modified by that but it plays a role of an object in the clause modifying for it, and therefore, most scientists will be the subject of such clause
More clearly, we can re-write it as: most scientist agree global warming (a phenomenon) is caused by human being's burning of fossil fuels --> you can see the object role of a phenomenon, or global warming, in this re-written clause
Such structure is still called a clause modifying for a Noun, and they are connected by a relative pronoun, whatsoever the role of such Noun (Subject or Object) in the modifying clause. Maybe I can't remember its official name, but as I mentioned, lets simply call Noun-modifying clause

hi there! I have searched a lot and this post seems the only one that asks my question. I have read all the replies. But I am still confused.
In the rewritten sentence: most scientist agree global warming (a phenomenon) is caused by human being's burning of fossil fuels, there are two verbs: agree and is caused. this is obviously unacceptable. Even though we see it as most scientist agree that..., two problems remain:
1. agree that appears to not be an idiom, compared to agree with or agree on;
2. even though "agree that" IS an idiom, on GMAT, such "that" can not be omitted and "a phenomenon" can no longer be the object of "agree" so that "a phenomenon" cannot be modified by "that" clause.
Okay, totally confused, plz help me explain it!!! thx!



Bro, think it that way:
A book that I read is written by....
A phenomenon that most agree is caused by...

Did you see the analogy ?
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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife... [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2011, 05:54
Sorry, internal contradiction, then it will not be an appositive :evil:
There is a huge controversy here
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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife fund has declared that [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2012, 02:47
I was indecided between C and D and wrongly chose D. Now I can see that C makes more sense hence the meaning is conversed (it is the burning of the fuels that causes...). The last part of the senctence appears a little bit wordy to me as well compared to answer choice D. However, the biggest impediment for me as a non-native speaker was the part "that most scientist agree is caused", which sounded odd to me.
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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife fund has declared that [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2012, 14:50
I have chosen C for the answer choice:

A. "to be" and "human beings in burning..." is very wordy. Grammatically, I couldn't see anything incorrect, but this sentence could definitely be more concise.

B. The placement of "that" is incorrect" - it should be placed right after "a phenomenon" and not "agree."

C. The use of the appositive to describe global warming makes sense. Also, the placement of "that" is correct which describes what scientists are agreeing on.

D. The use of "which" makes things a bit more confusing. Also, the use of "who" is not necessary.

E. Again, the use of "which" is a bit wordy here. The meaning is also slightly changed because it sounds like the phenomenon is caused by fossil fuels rather than the burning of fossil fuels.
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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife fund has declared that [#permalink] New post 23 Mar 2012, 10:26
C is the correct answer in my opinion
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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife fund has declared that [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 01:31
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OG 12th SC, 118

The world wildlife fund has declared that global warming, a phenomenon most scientsts agree to be caused by human begings in burning fossil fuels, will create havoc among migratory birds by altering the enviroment in ways harmful to their habitats.

a) A phenomenon most scientists agree to be caused by human beings in burning fossil fuels,
b) a phenomenon most scientists agree that is caused by fossil fuels burned by human beings,
c) a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels
d) which most scientists agree on as phenomenon caused by human beings who burn fossil fuels,
e) which most scientists agree to be a phenomenon caused by fossil fuels burned by human beings



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Re: OG 12th SC, 118 The world wildlife fund has declared that [#permalink] New post 02 Dec 2013, 00:14
this sc problem is relative to the following pattern:

main clause+noun+noun modifier

noun+noun modifier can modify the whole clause.

another similar pattern is

main+noun+noun modifier

but in this pattern, noun+noun modifier modifies a noun in the main clause

for example

I learn the english spoken in countris in North America which have developed into the richest countries in the wold, the language loved by most persons.

"language loved by most persons" modifies "the english"
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