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On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work [#permalink]
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On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work. When it is sunny, he walks at a speed of s miles/hr (s is an integer) and when it gets cloudy, he increases his speed to (s + 1) miles/hr. If his average speed for the entire distance is 2.8 miles/hr, what fraction of the total distance did he cover while the sun was shining on him?
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11 Feb 2013, 11:50
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If s is an integer and we know that the average speed is 2.8, s must be = 2. That means "s+1" = 3. This implies that the ratio of time for s=2 is 1/4 of the total time. The formula for distance/rate is D=Rt...so the distance travelled when s=2 is 2t. The distance travelled for s+1=3 is 3*4t or 12t. Therefore, total distance covered while the sun was shining over him is 2/14 = 1/7. Answer: E
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sambam wrote:
If s is an integer and we know that the average speed is 2.8, s must be = 2. That means "s+1" = 3. This implies that the ratio of time for s=2 is 1/4 of the total time. The formula for distance/rate is D=Rt...so the distance travelled when s=2 is 2t. The distance travelled for s+1=3 is 3*4t or 12t. Therefore, total distance covered while the sun was shining over him is 2/14 = 1/7. Answer: E
The key to this question is indeed that s must be 2, and therefore s+1 must be 3. It is impossible to average out a speed of 2.8 with any other two consecutive integers. The algebraic solution outlined above using D=RT gives the correct answer very quickly, but this can also be solved by using the concept and backsolving.
First of all, the classic trap of 1/4 of the time of the total time above is misleading. In fact, it implies that Derek spent 1/5 of his time at the slower speed and 4/5 at the higher speed. This is because 0.8 is analogous to 4/5, and can be demonstrated by (1/5 * 2) + (4/5 * 3) = 2/5 + 12/5 = 14/5 or 2.8. Once we know that Derek spent 1/5 of his time walking at his sunny-weather rate, and we know that the other 4/5 of the time he was walking faster, we can deduce that he covered less than 1/5 of the distance at the sunny-weather rate. If we understand this concept, we are down to two answer choices, D or E.
We can now backsolve by converting time into distance. Using D (1/6 of distance), we can assume 6 miles of distance, 1 of which at 2 mph and the other 5 at 3 mph. This leaves us with 0.5 hours of timeat speed s and 1.67 hours at speed s+1. These need to be in the ratio of 1:4 (or 1/5 to 4/5), and therefore don't work. Once this doesn't work, we know the answer is E. (Note: Backsolving for E gives 7 miles, 1 at 2 mph and 6 at 3 mph, yielding totals of 0.5 hours and 2 hours, exactly what we're looking for.
Undoubtedly the algebraic solution is faster, however, the concept alone leaves this at a 50/50 choice between D and E. Afterward, solving using one answer choice will confirm which one of the two must be correct. _________________
or \(\frac{10}{28}\)=\(\frac{k}{2}+\frac{(1-k)}{3}\)
By simple substitution, we can find that k = 1/7.
Hi vinaymimani How did u get that : as \(s<2.8<s+1\)
or \(s>1.8\) and \(s<2.8\).
Regards
Hi Rock750
I will give a general proof for the above question :
From the given picture, let n1 and n2(n1,n2 are not equal to 0) be the speed for the length d1 and d2 respectively.
Also,
d=d1+d2 , d1 = kd, where 0<k<1
Now, average speed for this length is
\(\frac{d}{[d1/n1+d2/n2]}\) =\(\frac{d}{[kd/n1+d(1-k)/n2]}\) = let's call this value as AVG
Now, Considering n1>n2;lets assume that this average speed will be always between n1 & n2 or n2<AVG<n1
\(n2<\frac{n1*n2}{[n2*k+n1*(1-k)]}\) ..... I
and
\(\frac{n1*n2}{[n2*k+n1*(1-k)]}<n1\).........II
Thus, from I, our assumption will be right iff \([n2*k+n1*(1-k)]<n1\)
or (n1-n2)k>0.
As we had already assumed that, this stands true.
Similarly, from II, we have our assumption to be true iff
\((n2-n1)*(1-k)<0\); which is again true.
Thus for any positive value of n1,n2 the inequality n2<AVG<n1 will always holds.
In the given sum, n2 = s, n1 = s+1 and AVG = 2.8 mph. Thus, 2.8 will always lie between s and (s+1). The question mentions that "s" is an integer for this very purpose.
Re: On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work [#permalink]
06 Mar 2013, 02:17
What i m not getting is that why are we considering average speed as arithmetic mean of the speeds? average speed is calculated by total distance divided by total time taken, isnt it??
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06 Mar 2013, 02:26
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What i m not getting is that why are we considering average speed as arithmetic mean of the speeds? average speed is calculated by total distance divided by total time taken, isnt it??
kindly help
Where, in which post, is the average speed calculated as the average of the two speeds? _________________
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swarman wrote:
What i m not getting is that why are we considering average speed as arithmetic mean of the speeds? average speed is calculated by total distance divided by total time taken, isnt it??
kindly help
Average Speed lies in between the two speeds. It may not be in the center since the time taken at the two speeds might be different but it does lie somewhere in between them. You cannot drive at two speeds: 50 mph and 60 mph and still expect to average 70 mph. Your average will lie somewhere between 50 and 60.
Similarly, if the average speed is 2.8 and the two speeds are consecutive integers, the speeds must be 2 and 3. You cannot have the speeds as (1 and 2) or (3 and 4) since they cannot average out to be 2.8. _________________
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07 Mar 2013, 09:03
Hi Bunuel Actually i thought the way we got s as 2 was: (s+s+1)/2= 2.8 and by solving it we get value of s as 2 (closest integer).. but now its clear thanks to Karishma!
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Hi,
Nice question!!!
I solved it like this..
let t1 be sunny time and t2 be cloudy time then we are asked to find t1/ (t1+t2) (say X)
and avg speed = 2.8 = (st1+ st2+ t2)/(t1+t2) so 2.8 = s + t2/(t1+t2) 2.8 = S + 1 - X So our Req Qty X = S - 1.8 and since S is an integer the only value it can take is 2 (If its 3, the fraction will become absurd and if its 0, it becomes -ve!) so X = 0.2 or 1/5
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20 May 2013, 11:10
Bunuel wrote:
swarman wrote:
What i m not getting is that why are we considering average speed as arithmetic mean of the speeds? average speed is calculated by total distance divided by total time taken, isnt it??
kindly help
Where, in which post, is the average speed calculated as the average of the two speeds?
Hi Bunuel, I took the following classical equations route to solve
Sunny: Speed = s Distance = x hence, time = x/s
Cloudy: Speed = s+1 dist = y hence, time = y/(s+1)
Average: Speed = 2.8 Total dist = x+y total time = (x/s) + y/(s+1)
From Allegation : (s+1 - 2.8)/(2.8-s)=x/y I see three unknowns! I realize that I have to carefully look for the value of one of the unknowns... Ahh..Average Speed! S+1 < 2.8< S (Problem mentions that S is an integer) Hence Average speed has to lie between 3 and 2. ie 3<2.8<2 (notice relationship between S and S+1)
Substitute S=2 x/y=0.2/.08=1/4 (Ratio of time) Hence Distance covered when Cloudy = y(s+1) = 4*(1+2) = 12 miles Distance covered when Sunny = xs = 1*2 = 2 miles
Re: On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work [#permalink]
02 Aug 2013, 09:05
On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work. When it is sunny, he walks at a speed of s miles/hr (s is an integer) and when it gets cloudy, he increases his speed to (s + 1) miles/hr. If his average speed for the entire distance is 2.8 miles/hr, what fraction of the total distance did he cover while the sun was shining on him?
s (and s+1) are both integers, therefore, the two speeds are consecutive integers. Because we know the average speed is 2.8 and the two speeds are consecutive integers, the only possible solution is the slower speed = 2 and the faster speed = 3. rate=distance/time Cloudy rate: s/t 2/t 2 miles/1 hour Sunny rate: (s+1)/t 3/t 3 miles / 1 hour
Average speed = Distance/Time
Average speed = 2.8 miles/1 hour
So we know the average speed and the rate at which he walked for both sunny and cloudy times. In a way, I view this as a weighted average problem: "how many units of 2 miles/hour + 3miles/hour = 2.8 miles/hour total"
Past that, I am completely lost on the algebra and logic. An explanation of both would be mighty helpful!!
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02 Aug 2013, 11:36
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WholeLottaLove wrote:
So we know the average speed and the rate at which he walked for both sunny and cloudy times. In a way, I view this as a weighted average problem: "how many units of 2 miles/hour + 3miles/hour = 2.8 miles/hour total"
Past that, I am completely lost on the algebra and logic. An explanation of both would be mighty helpful!!
Thanks!!
Hi WholeLottaLove,
Mau5 started the algebra solution above. Let me continue it while being consistent with the variables set up. The logic has been covered before in this post many times (including by me), hopefully at least one of them will make sense either in conjunction with the algebra or on its own:
Algebraically, we know Derek spent some portion of his time walking at 2 MPH (k) and the rest of the time (1-k) at 3 MPH. Set the total time to be d and set up d1 for the slow walk and d2 for the fast walk, all we have to do is solve for variable k:
I hope this makes sense to you. The picking numbers or backsolving approaches might be faster in this case, so feel free to use whichever method you want. As the old saying goes, though, algebra always tells the truth.
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02 Aug 2013, 11:53
VeritasPrepRon wrote:
WholeLottaLove wrote:
So we know the average speed and the rate at which he walked for both sunny and cloudy times. In a way, I view this as a weighted average problem: "how many units of 2 miles/hour + 3miles/hour = 2.8 miles/hour total"
Past that, I am completely lost on the algebra and logic. An explanation of both would be mighty helpful!!
Thanks!!
Hi WholeLottaLove,
Mau5 started the algebra solution above. Let me continue it while being consistent with the variables set up. The logic has been covered before in this post many times (including by me), hopefully at least one of them will make sense either in conjunction with the algebra or on its own:
Algebraically, we know Derek spent some portion of his time walking at 2 MPH (k) and the rest of the time (1-k) at 3 MPH. Set the total time to be d and set up d1 for the slow walk and d2 for the fast walk, all we have to do is solve for variable k:
Silly question, but are we assuming that he walks for one hour here?
I hope this makes sense to you. The picking numbers or backsolving approaches might be faster in this case, so feel free to use whichever method you want. As the old saying goes, though, algebra always tells the truth.
Hope this helps! -Ron
I do get it a bit more. These concepts can be quite tricky!!! Thanks!!!
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02 Aug 2013, 17:26
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WholeLottaLove wrote:
I do get it a bit more. These concepts can be quite tricky!!! Thanks!!!
1.Let the distance traveled by Derek when it is sunny be x and when it is cloudy be y. We need to find x / x+y 2. The average speed is given as 2.8 . The speed at which Derek travels when it is sunny and when it is cloudy have to be 2 and 3 resp as others have reasoned. 3. Average speed = total distance traveled/ total time taken , which is, x+y / (x/s + y/s+1) = 2.8 where s=2 4. Solving (3) we get x/y = 1/6 i.e., x / x+y = 1/7
Only a few approaches are there to be followed. Once you see which one to apply for a problem, it gets really easy. _________________
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03 Aug 2013, 09:29
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On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work. When it is sunny, he walks at a speed of s miles/hr (s is an integer) and when it gets cloudy, he increases his speed to (s + 1) miles/hr. If his average speed for the entire distance is 2.8 miles/hr, what fraction of the total distance did he cover while the sun was shining on him?
Looking for the fraction of his total distance that was covered when the sun was shining on him. We're going to have to assign variables to sun distance and cloud distance so we can ultimately plug into the formula for average speed. We will also need to get the time taken for each leg of the journey which means we also need to know the speed traveled for each leg. x=sun y=clouds The fraction of time spent walking when it is sunny = x/(x+y) (x divided by the total distance)
We have established that the speed for the first part = 2 and the speed for the second part =3
We are given average speed so it is fair to assume that we will apply it to a formula: Average speed = total distance/total time taken Time taken: sunny part of the journey: x/s (distance/speed) cloudy part of the journey: x/s+1
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15 Aug 2013, 13:25
On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work. When it is sunny, he walks at a speed of s miles/hr (s is an integer) and when it gets cloudy, he increases his speed to (s + 1) miles/hr. If his average speed for the entire distance is 2.8 miles/hr, what fraction of the total distance did he cover while the sun was shining on him?
There are two portions to Derek's walk: the sunny portion (S) and the cloudy portion (C).
speed (S): s/1hour speed (C): (s+1)/1hour
what fraction of the total distance did he cover while the sun was shining on him?
We need to find total distance, then solve for the distance he covered while the sun was shining.
Average speed = total distance/total time 2.8 = d / (t) The problem is, we don't know how long it took Derek to walk the distance.
(s is an integer)
This gives us a needed clue (and makes the problem damn tricky!) If his average, round trip speed is 2.8 miles per hour and S is an integer value, it severely limits the possible values of S (especially when considering that his round trip speed was (s+1)
If s=1 then on the first leg of the trip he walked at 1 mile/hour and on the return he walked at (1+1) = 2 miles/hour. That wouldn't be fast enough to attain an average of 2.8 miles/hour round trip.
If s=3 then on the first leg of the trip he walked at 3 miles/hour and on the return he walked at (3+1) = 4 miles/hour. That would mean his average would be greater than 2.8 miles/hour.
If s=2 then on the first leg of the trip he walked at 2 miles/hour and on the return he walked at (2+1) = 3 miles/hour. This would allow for an average speed of 2.8 miles/hour.
speed (S): 2/1hour speed (C): (3)/1hour
Average speed = total distance/total time taken time = distance/speed
He walked a total of 2.8 miles. If his average speed was 2.8 miles then the entire walk took 1 hour.
I know I already solved this problem, but I tried solving it a different way and got stock above. Can someone explain to me why I am wrong or where I went wrong in solving this problem? Thanks!
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15 Aug 2013, 13:51
emmak wrote:
On a partly cloudy day, Derek decides to walk back from work. When it is sunny, he walks at a speed of s miles/hr (s is an integer) and when it gets cloudy, he increases his speed to (s + 1) miles/hr. If his average speed for the entire distance is 2.8 miles/hr, what fraction of the total distance did he cover while the sun was shining on him?
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