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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those
B. movies—fewer than have been
C. movies, which is less than those
D. movies, a number lower than the people
E. movies, fewer than the ones
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2012, 09:51
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In this case, B is the choice purely because of //ism between have been killed by the great white shark and fewer than have been killed by bee stings. Hence, those killed in A and C or the people killed in D and the ones killed in E are not structurally parallel to have been killed. In B, which really means fewer than those who have been killed, the phrase -those who - remains elliptic and understood.

Let us not confuse that some numbers are being compared here. People, the victims of GWS are being compared with people, the victims of the bee sting. E is additionally wrong in denigrating people as fewer than the ones; it should say fewer than who or those.

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Re: Only seven people this century have been killed by the great [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2013, 05:08
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ankurgupta03 wrote:
Can someone throw some light on why E is wrong and when to use the touch rule of modifier ...


There is a verb tense error in E

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

B. movies—fewer than have been (killed)
E. movies, fewer than the ones (killed)

The touching rule is used for noun-modifiers and has only few exceptions:
1)parallel structure like
noun, which(touches the noun) .... and which (does not touch the noun, but is in a parallel structure)
2)noun with modifiers or prepositional phrases like
the car of the year (prep phrase) that won the championship(refers to the car even if it touches the noun "year")

At the moment I cannot remember any other case... hope this answers your question!
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those

Problem one - Less is normally used for uncountable things. People is countable. This kills C as well.
Even while using less than, verb forms should be parallel. Have been killed is not parallel to killed. Kills D and E

B. movies—fewer than have been
Perfect.
C. movies, which is less than those
Less than used again. Verb form not parallel.
D. movies, a number lower than the people
Lower is does not mean less. Lower is more closer to shorter/smaller.
E. movies, fewer than the ones
Verb form error.
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2012, 23:52
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those

Problem one - Less is normally used for uncountable things. People is countable. This kills C as well.
Even while using less than, verb forms should be parallel. Have been killed is not parallel to killed. Kills D and E

B. movies—fewer than have been
Perfect.
C. movies, which is less than those
Less than used again. Verb form not parallel.
D. movies, a number lower than the people
Lower is does not mean less. Lower is more closer to shorter/smaller.
E. movies, fewer than the ones
Verb form error.



in B should it not be fewer than those who have been killed by bee sting
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2012, 23:56
You are not looking for a perfect answer. Just the one that is not wrong. :)
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 00:01
Even i have a doubt on this one :

Is "fewer than have been" correct ??
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 00:31
Its not wrong just because it doesn't 'sound' right. Use the grammar rules. Other four are definitely wrong.
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 00:49
When should be use hyphen "-"? I think comma is needed after movies. Please exlpain.
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 00:51
Hyphen can be used as a comma. If you are referring to the holy grail (read Manhattan SC), you would find it right there.
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 01:08
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Hyphen can be used as a comma. If you are referring to the holy grail (read Manhattan SC), you would find it right there.


Why is E wrong ? what verb form error ??

Hyphen can be used as anything! colon, semi colon, comma etc.
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have been killed vs killed. Not parallel.
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 07:04
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Its not wrong just because it doesn't 'sound' right. Use the grammar rules. Other four are definitely wrong.


so you mean to say that the phrase "fewer than have been" is grammatically correct ??
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 07:54
Well, what's wrong with it? Verb form parallel, fewer usage apt. The only problem you have in it is a missing pronoun. Right? Its more concise than you prefer I guess but still is correct.

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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 16:37
I was thinking the coma signal whatever after it is a modifying phrase. "movies" was before the coma so it's modifying phrase was modifying movies, which is incorrect.
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2012, 21:37
im still vvondering vvhat is the right reasoning to this

B seems vvierd
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Re: less than those killed by bee stings [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2012, 09:28
I don't agree with B for the same aforementioned reasons. Regardless if it "sounds" incorrect, you are saying that the number is fewer than...what?
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Re: Only seven people this century have been killed by the great [#permalink] New post 26 Nov 2012, 20:37
I don't understand why "less' can't be used with people.

I don't consider people a count noun.

We don't say "peoples"

My definition of a "count noun" is a noun that can be plural by adding an S. Like Bottle. There are 5 water bottles here. Am I wrong?

For example, wine is non-count. How much less wine do you want?

I guess we do say, there are "5 people" here... but no S at the end.


Can someone chime in ?
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Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.
A. movies—less than those people are countable, less is used for non-countable things - INCORRECT!!
B. movies—fewer than have been CORRECT!!!
C. movies, which is less than thoseless should not be used for countable things - INCORRECT!!
D. movies, a number lower than the peoplenumber should not be compared with people - INCORRECT!!
E. movies, fewer than the onescomma makes this modifier, fewer than the pones seems to modify movies - INCORRECT!!

IMO, answer is B
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Re: Only seven people this century have been killed by the great [#permalink] New post 28 Nov 2012, 20:34
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I don't understand why "less' can't be used with people.

I don't consider people a count noun.

We don't say "peoples"

My definition of a "count noun" is a noun that can be plural by adding an S. Like Bottle. There are 5 water bottles here. Am I wrong?

For example, wine is non-count. How much less wine do you want?

I guess we do say, there are "5 people" here... but no S at the end.

Can someone chime in ?

So going by this logic, would you consider 'fish' as countable or uncountable? you can surely count fish but cant add S at the end (or if you do, it would be a blunder :-D )
I think MGMAT's strategy with this is best: just see if counting 1 , 2, 3 etc makes sense with it. eg. 1 bottle , 2 bottles, 3 bottles etc. or 1 fish, 2 fish, 3 fish.
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