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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 12:32
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 13:10
So I started reading the MGMAT Number Properties book last night. I started pretty late (around 9pm), and took notes and worked through the problems in the first chapter. It's unreal how much you can forget when you're out of school for almost 13 years. I'm going to try to read the next two chapters after I get back from the gym.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 16:44
ok well to reply, thanks for the compliments here's what I've done and it helped me out a lot.

Manhattan GMAT series. Do every book religiously. Then after you're done with all 8, redo them. I had the OG11 complimentary ones so after I finished I went right into the OG 12 and did the problems in them (except for the diagnostics...just didn't feel like it haha)
OG 11 & 12 - MUST HAVE.
Kaplan Premier & 800. There are some overlap between the two but I think it comes with a lot of extra problems.
OG Verbal & OG Quant - DO THEM.
Then I did one GMATprep test.
Then hit the manhattan CAT's. I prefer them over the Kaplan's - I think they're way out of scope but that's just me.
Then do the last GMATprep test.
Now I'm just focusing on trying to refresh old notes and thoughts so they all come back to me seeing as how i scored a 650 I'm just trying to not forget anything until I take the test on the 18th.

I started June 1st. Don't overload - it will backfire. had that happen to me, and then I banged out a 430 =( lesson learned.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2010, 18:54
vwjetty wrote:
ok well to reply, thanks for the compliments here's what I've done and it helped me out a lot.

Manhattan GMAT series. Do every book religiously. Then after you're done with all 8, redo them. I had the OG11 complimentary ones so after I finished I went right into the OG 12 and did the problems in them (except for the diagnostics...just didn't feel like it haha)
OG 11 & 12 - MUST HAVE.
Kaplan Premier & 800. There are some overlap between the two but I think it comes with a lot of extra problems.
Would you recommend the reading/concepts or the extra practice problems?
OG Verbal & OG Quant - DO THEM.
Then I did one GMATprep test.
Then hit the manhattan CAT's. I prefer them over the Kaplan's - I think they're way out of scope but that's just me.
Then do the last GMATprep test.
Now I'm just focusing on trying to refresh old notes and thoughts so they all come back to me seeing as how i scored a 650 I'm just trying to not forget anything until I take the test on the 18th.

I started June 1st. Don't overload - it will backfire. had that happen to me, and then I banged out a 430 =( lesson learned.

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ok well to reply, thanks for the compliments here's what I've done and it helped me out a lot.

Manhattan GMAT series. Do every book religiously. Then after you're done with all 8, redo them. I had the OG11 complimentary ones so after I finished I went right into the OG 12 and did the problems in them (except for the diagnostics...just didn't feel like it haha)
OG 11 & 12 - MUST HAVE.
Kaplan Premier & 800. There are some overlap between the two but I think it comes with a lot of extra problems.
OG Verbal & OG Quant - DO THEM.
Then I did one GMATprep test.
Then hit the manhattan CAT's. I prefer them over the Kaplan's - I think they're way out of scope but that's just me.
Then do the last GMATprep test.
Now I'm just focusing on trying to refresh old notes and thoughts so they all come back to me seeing as how i scored a 650 I'm just trying to not forget anything until I take the test on the 18th.

I started June 1st. Don't overload - it will backfire. had that happen to me, and then I banged out a 430 =( lesson learned.


so you got about 1.5 weeks. try to concentrate on fixing your problem areas and refrain from overloading. Relax couple of days before test and good luck!
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 08:32
Dawgie, yes...everything helps. Granted that problems in there are harder than expected I think do cover all the basis fairly well and requires you to do more. I like their Math and Verbal refreshers. Although they are not so much in dept as the Manhattan ones are they do just a pretty good summary in just the few pages provided.

shaselai, kudo's for thinking what I'm thinking =)
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 08:41
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Dawgie, yes...everything helps. Granted that problems in there are harder than expected I think do cover all the basis fairly well and requires you to do more. I like their Math and Verbal refreshers. Although they are not so much in dept as the Manhattan ones are they do just a pretty good summary in just the few pages provided.

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Do you think Starcraft 2 has helped your quant ability in the recent months?
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 08:43
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vwjetty wrote:
Dawgie, yes...everything helps. Granted that problems in there are harder than expected I think do cover all the basis fairly well and requires you to do more. I like their Math and Verbal refreshers. Although they are not so much in dept as the Manhattan ones are they do just a pretty good summary in just the few pages provided.

shaselai, kudo's for thinking what I'm thinking =)

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Do you think Starcraft 2 has helped your quant ability in the recent months?


of course. analytical abilities certainly helps. plus number crunching.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 08:48
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vwjetty wrote:
Dawgie, yes...everything helps. Granted that problems in there are harder than expected I think do cover all the basis fairly well and requires you to do more. I like their Math and Verbal refreshers. Although they are not so much in dept as the Manhattan ones are they do just a pretty good summary in just the few pages provided.

shaselai, kudo's for thinking what I'm thinking =)

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Do you think Starcraft 2 has helped your quant ability in the recent months?


of course. analytical abilities certainly helps. plus number crunching.

You crunched numbers in SC2? No wonder you are 49Q!
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 09:42
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You crunched numbers in SC2? No wonder you are 49Q!



not as good as them koreans
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 09 Sep 2010, 18:45
So I did some more reading and note-taking in the Number Properties book (studying). It seems to be clicking a little more. The only thing that I'm not seeing, at least not now, is how is this material going to translate into doing well on the quantitative section of the test. I'm sure that it is building on a foundation, but at this point, I just can't really see it. I attempted a "sub-600" level quant question today that dealt with probabilities, and I didn't know where to start. I'm staying optimistic though. On a side note, I'm doing verbal questions in the verbal question forum during the day (while I'm supposed to be working). I think that I've identified my weakness, which is Sentence Correction. It isn't a glaring weakness, but compared to me getting almost 4 out of every 5 CR right, I think this is my weakest verbal area. I feel that I'll do well in verbal, so I'm really, really, REALLY trying to get my quant up to at least a 49. That's about it for the night. I might do another verbal problem or two before I go to bed, but I'm watching the football game as well.

VW and Dawgie,

Any of you play Call of Duty? I've had to take a break due to studying, but I might still sneak some gametime in there in between sessions.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2010, 06:43
Doing the mgmat books really helps in applying the knowledge while doing quant questions.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2010, 07:57
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So I did some more reading and note-taking in the Number Properties book (studying). It seems to be clicking a little more. The only thing that I'm not seeing, at least not now, is how is this material going to translate into doing well on the quantitative section of the test. I'm sure that it is building on a foundation, but at this point, I just can't really see it. I attempted a "sub-600" level quant question today that dealt with probabilities, and I didn't know where to start. I'm staying optimistic though. On a side note, I'm doing verbal questions in the verbal question forum during the day (while I'm supposed to be working). I think that I've identified my weakness, which is Sentence Correction. It isn't a glaring weakness, but compared to me getting almost 4 out of every 5 CR right, I think this is my weakest verbal area. I feel that I'll do well in verbal, so I'm really, really, REALLY trying to get my quant up to at least a 49. That's about it for the night. I might do another verbal problem or two before I go to bed, but I'm watching the football game as well.

VW and Dawgie,

Any of you play Call of Duty? I've had to take a break due to studying, but I might still sneak some gametime in there in between sessions.

I'm still on break too due to studying, when I get back I'm going to SC2 no doubt.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2010, 09:00
call of duty... i guess if you like online then maybe. the story so short...
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2010, 09:15
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call of duty... i guess if you like online then maybe. the story so short...


Yeah, I only play it online.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 14:06
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So I did some more reading and note-taking in the Number Properties book (studying). It seems to be clicking a little more. The only thing that I'm not seeing, at least not now, is how is this material going to translate into doing well on the quantitative section of the test. I'm sure that it is building on a foundation, but at this point, I just can't really see it. I attempted a "sub-600" level quant question today that dealt with probabilities, and I didn't know where to start. I'm staying optimistic though. On a side note, I'm doing verbal questions in the verbal question forum during the day (while I'm supposed to be working). I think that I've identified my weakness, which is Sentence Correction. It isn't a glaring weakness, but compared to me getting almost 4 out of every 5 CR right, I think this is my weakest verbal area. I feel that I'll do well in verbal, so I'm really, really, REALLY trying to get my quant up to at least a 49. That's about it for the night. I might do another verbal problem or two before I go to bed, but I'm watching the football game as well.

VW and Dawgie,

Any of you play Call of Duty? I've had to take a break due to studying, but I might still sneak some gametime in there in between sessions.


I understand where you are coming from in regard to the Numbers Properties book. It isn't exactly going to be a direct relation in questions you will likely face on the GMAT so much as understanding the underlying principals of the questions. What this means is that understanding the properties of the numbers in the GMAT questions allows you to better understand what they are asking and also how to use the strategies in the MGMAT books to solve the questions. As an example, if you are asked to find some number, the question says it's an integer (or prime, or even, you get the idea), you can take this and, with your understanding of number properties, quickly eliminate some of the answer choices, or to just quickly calculate the correct answer. I have found that I am doing questions so quickly that I'm starting to wonder if they are really asking me what it looks like. I'm starting to doubt myself as the answers are sometimes coming so quickly that I don't even write the information down. It just pops into my head. Keep in mind that this was NOT the case 6 weeks ago when I started studying. Back then I was writing copious notes and calculating everything. As others have posted on here, the Numbers Properties book is incredibly useful.

Also, I'll be honest and say that some areas are still difficult for me. I answer the advanced probability questions correct only part of the time. This is also true for combinatorics. I can only invest so much time on each area so I'm happy that I have a strong grasp of almost all of the topics. As you can see with some users, they scored high even when there were a couple sections that they were weak in. Good luck!
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 18:33
I understand where you are coming from in regard to the Numbers Properties book. It isn't exactly going to be a direct relation in questions you will likely face on the GMAT so much as understanding the underlying principals of the questions. What this means is that understanding the properties of the numbers in the GMAT questions allows you to better understand what they are asking and also how to use the strategies in the MGMAT books to solve the questions. As an example, if you are asked to find some number, the question says it's an integer (or prime, or even, you get the idea), you can take this and, with your understanding of number properties, quickly eliminate some of the answer choices, or to just quickly calculate the correct answer. I have found that I am doing questions so quickly that I'm starting to wonder if they are really asking me what it looks like. I'm starting to doubt myself as the answers are sometimes coming so quickly that I don't even write the information down. It just pops into my head. Keep in mind that this was NOT the case 6 weeks ago when I started studying. Back then I was writing copious notes and calculating everything. As others have posted on here, the Numbers Properties book is incredibly useful.

Also, I'll be honest and say that some areas are still difficult for me. I answer the advanced probability questions correct only part of the time. This is also true for combinatorics. I can only invest so much time on each area so I'm happy that I have a strong grasp of almost all of the topics. As you can see with some users, they scored high even when there were a couple sections that they were weak in. Good luck![/quote]

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So have you taken any CAT's since you've started to figure things out quicker? I'm trying to see the correlation between what you've learned from your starting point. It sounds like you're almost ready to schedule your exam, no?
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 13 Sep 2010, 19:00
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I understand where you are coming from in regard to the Numbers Properties book. It isn't exactly going to be a direct relation in questions you will likely face on the GMAT so much as understanding the underlying principals of the questions. What this means is that understanding the properties of the numbers in the GMAT questions allows you to better understand what they are asking and also how to use the strategies in the MGMAT books to solve the questions. As an example, if you are asked to find some number, the question says it's an integer (or prime, or even, you get the idea), you can take this and, with your understanding of number properties, quickly eliminate some of the answer choices, or to just quickly calculate the correct answer. I have found that I am doing questions so quickly that I'm starting to wonder if they are really asking me what it looks like. I'm starting to doubt myself as the answers are sometimes coming so quickly that I don't even write the information down. It just pops into my head. Keep in mind that this was NOT the case 6 weeks ago when I started studying. Back then I was writing copious notes and calculating everything. As others have posted on here, the Numbers Properties book is incredibly useful.

Also, I'll be honest and say that some areas are still difficult for me. I answer the advanced probability questions correct only part of the time. This is also true for combinatorics. I can only invest so much time on each area so I'm happy that I have a strong grasp of almost all of the topics. As you can see with some users, they scored high even when there were a couple sections that they were weak in. Good luck!


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So have you taken any CAT's since you've started to figure things out quicker? I'm trying to see the correlation between what you've learned from your starting point. It sounds like you're almost ready to schedule your exam, no?


I'm scoring in the low 700's at this point. I seem to have no problems with the easier questions, miss almost no 600 - 700 level questions, and do ok on the 700 - 800 questions. I'm looking at scheduling pretty soon, I just want to finish up a few more sections in prep. It really is amazing how easy some of the questions become after you get used to the pattern. I think the best thing I can say for all of the practice is that you start to recognize exactly what they are asking for, which is half the battle for me. Once I know what they are asking and what sort of problem it is, I usually have a very good idea of what strategy I need to use in order to find the answer.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 27 Sep 2010, 16:27
Alright, so I'm wading into the OG12th problems now. I don't know if the questions are still supposed to be fairly difficult after reading the Number Properties guide, but they still are pretty tough. I'm going to work on some more of the problems tonight, with a little MNF intermission. Sorry for the infrequent posts. I don't want to post that I'm still reading, or that I didn't get as much studying done today as I would have liked to. I figure the members of this forum want to hear the positive results.
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Re: Operation GMAT **(unclassified)** [#permalink] New post 01 Oct 2010, 06:11
I made a mistake in the first problems that I attempted. I started on the wrong page number according to the Number Properties guide. I did them yesterday, and they weren't bad at all. It was pretty encouraging for me to be able to apply the concepts that I've learned so far.

On a side note,

I'm here at work and I just finished the SC questions in the GMAT prep. 10 correct out of 15 isn't bad for not studying SC yet. I'm going to do the RC next and see how that goes.
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