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06 Nov 2012, 09:58
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Brief about me: 10 Years of experience in Telecom in Asia (India, China, SAARC countries). Did my Masters in Advance Software Engineering from King's College London, Uni. of London.
Married with a 3 year old kid. My wife is doing PhD in Competency mapping (a topic from Human resource/ Organisation Behaviour)[/quote]

There is a University-wide association for students with families (of which there are many) but the University is large and sprawling so best to stay close to SBS so you can spend time with your family. I got partial funding from Green Templeton and they own a property right behind SBS so you have a 3 minute commute to class which is outstanding. I had a 3 month old when I started so it was extremely important to me to be close to home otherwise I would have missed out on a lot of 'firsts'. I took my kid to school with me on several occasions and at least one party and so did all the other people with kids. The Said facilities are the best in Europe I think with large courtyards, gardens, common rooms etc. so you can take your family along to pretty much anything. A few spouses also sat in classes from time to time....out of curiosity I think...

Many people are married with spouses, there will be 5-10 couples with kids typically in a class and there is always a spouses group. You will reap what you sow, if you are outgoing and social people will respond to you in kind, but if you don't make an effort don't expect anything in return. My point is this, every MBA program in Europe has lots of international students but some countries are over-represented, typically the US, Canada, India, China....this is the case at Saïd, Judge, LBS and the "B-School of the World in Paris". Some people are physically here but never make the mental move and remain in their home countries (e.g. only socialize with other people from your own ethnic/national background). I think if you are going to do that, then might as well save your money and avoid an MBA because you will gain nothing from it ! Academically and socially, Saïd is the best program in Europe, in my opinion so make the best of it !

Your profile would be interesting to many employers I feel (There was a telecom engineer in my class who is headed to MBBB). If you have UK residency it will make things much simpler and you won't have problems getting "a job". For your dream job, you will need to hustle a bit more, but should be doable. You should chat with someone in Careers if you want more advice/feedback, they are pretty straightforward. I had a chat with Careers at both SBS and INSEAD once I was admitted before I made up my mind.

Lots of spouses end up working part-time/full-time in SBS, especially in HR/Organizational Design so your wife might get a job before you do !
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06 Nov 2012, 05:13
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I am also between Insead and Oxford (assuming both accept me ) and I am also a "mature" applicant. You feel very happy about having gone to Oxford so I would really appreciate any feedback. Cheers.

Looks like you are also Canadian so that's one more thing we have in common ! Good luck with your applications !

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07 Nov 2012, 02:11
Thanks for the great insights, Khagan!

One question:
You mentioned consulting is still hiring at Oxford, and the big boys (MBBB) are active there.
Since Said's class is relatively older than the American ones considering the average of 6 years of work experience, are there any obstacles to older candidates (33-35 years old with 7 years of experience) trying to make the switch? Or are these candidates also being snapped up?
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Re: Oxford Full Time MBA (w/ $$) vs. INSEAD Executive MBA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 07 Nov 2012, 10:42 khagan wrote: Ducksworth wrote: I am also between Insead and Oxford (assuming both accept me ) and I am also a "mature" applicant. You feel very happy about having gone to Oxford so I would really appreciate any feedback. Cheers. Looks like you are also Canadian so that's one more thing we have in common ! Good luck with your applications ! I am married with a baby, so for me one factor was how family-friendly the town is and Oxford is probably one of the best places to raise a family if not "the" best, at least in the UK and most definitely better than "Paris". As an older applicant, you have to understand that there will be many younger kids (and I mean much younger...the youngest in my class was 24 and straight from University) who are at a completely different stage in their lives and have completely different priorities. The typical MBA candidate at the top schools is quite "A-Type" and in my opinion, the larger the size of the class the more lost you are likely to feel. I mean INSEAD has the largest class I think in the world with a 1,000 kids. My class at SBS had 250 and it was hard to keep up so its just a question of what fits you better. Do your homework before you pick a school because the rankings are a crock of £@!....SBS definitely has fewer "A-Type" people although I've heard this changes from year-to-year and class-to-class. What I mean is that an MBA is not a golden ticket, its just one piece of your resume and other than the banks and the consulting firms, employers don't like candidates that have an unreasonable sense of entitlement...READ: Hubris is not a strategy.... Let me know if you have specific questions and I can try and address them. Apologies for the random thoughts above... Lots of useful points khagan! This is where I stand: • My fiancée will come with me, making it imperative for her to be able to work while I study. Because of our nationalities, this restricts our list to Canada, UK, Switzerland and Singapore. • I need to get back to work as soon as possible given that my opportunity cost is significant at this stage. This means that I do not wish to be enrolled in a programme longer than 12 months. This restricts my list even further to Ivey, Saïd, Judge, IMD and Insead (Singapore). • My undergrad degree is from Cambridge. Not mattering how much I love the place, I feel I would benefit from being in a different university. My list is now down to Ivey, Saïd, IMD and Insead. • I am not sure about IMD since my fiancée does not speak French (I do, but this is irrelevant). Also, I will return to my present company (finance sector) and IMD probably offers the least finance-oriented programme among this list. I will probably only go for Ivey, Saïd and Insead, but I can retake this option. These three schools seem to tick all the requirements that I have. Insead needs no introduction. Also, I feel the same way as you do in terms of the importance that I should give to rankings. This is about what I will learn and my network rather than my ego. In either case, Oxford is a very well-known brand in my country. I know for sure that my Cambridge degree has openened many doors and Saïd will do the same. Having said that, I am worried that since too many people do care about rankings, Ivey is not attracting the most talented people. Because of this, I place it third in my list. All in all, Saïd and Insead are my top two choices and it seems I now have to wait. I have an interview scheduled with Insead and just waiting for Oxford to reply. Intern Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 25 Followers: 1 Kudos [?]: 6 [0], given: 0 Re: Oxford Full Time MBA (w/$$$) vs. INSEAD Executive MBA [#permalink] ### Show Tags 08 Nov 2012, 04:38 Chem21 wrote: Thanks for the great insights, Khagan! One question: You mentioned consulting is still hiring at Oxford, and the big boys (MBBB) are active there. Since Said's class is relatively older than the American ones considering the average of 6 years of work experience, are there any obstacles to older candidates (33-35 years old with 7 years of experience) trying to make the switch? Or are these candidates also being snapped up? There are no obstacles to older candidates. There was a 38 year old in the class before me who went to McK. Having said that, please understand that Saïd is not a 'consulting' school per se. Although MBBB do recruit here, they typically have a quota per school although they pretend they do not. Your chances of getting that job would be higher if you went to one of the 'consulting' focused schools. A more important question to ask yourself is why consulting? Why not try and get the job which you would try and get AFTER consulting? 1 in 10 Associates at McK make partner and 1 in 10 partners will make Director so the odds are against you even if you get that job. As an Associate you will work long hours with terrible self-obsessed people who will pretend that they care about your development. We had an MBB presentation the other day and one of the Associates they brought along kept using the "F*%$" word during the presentation. The HR lady escorting him did not correct him, which was amusing and inappropriate. Do you really want this guy as your boss?

Finally, the exits from MBBB are not what they used to be even 10 years ago. When the firms were smaller, you could go from being a junior partner to COO of Continental Airlines (true story) but this is not the case any more. Exits are especially not so great for Associates and EM, much better if you make Partner. Also the guy who ran McK for a decade has just been imprisoned for insider trading and Monitor has declared bankruptcy today and is being sold to Deloitte.

Think hard about what you want to do....
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