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Re: x > x^2 [#permalink]
B

what I have been realizing ( i feel its wrong now ) is that

x ( x - 1 ) < 0 Means

either x< 0 or x - 1 < 0 or x < 1

so x < 0 or x < 1 how did u get 0 < x < 1 ?
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what I have been realizing ( i feel its wrong now ) is that

x ( x - 1 ) < 0 Means

either x< 0 or x - 1 < 0 or x < 1

so x < 0 or x < 1 how did u get 0 < x < 1 ?


\(x(x-1)<0\) --> roots are \(x=0\) and \(x=1\) --> "<" sign indicates that the solution lies between the roots: \(0<x<1\):
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If it were: \(x(x-1)>0\) --> the same roots: \(x=0\) and \(x=1\) --> ">" sign indicates that the solution lies to the left of the smaller root and to the right of the larger root: x<0 or x>1:
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Follow the links in my previous post for more on this subject.

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Re: Is x > x^2 ? (1) x is greater than x^3 (2) x is greater t [#permalink]
Good that you bumped onto this thread Bunuel

Here's my question

On second statement how do we do critical points?

So we have x>x^4

Therefore x^4-x<0

Now then factorizing we have: x^2 (x-1)(x+1) , we only need to take care of (x-1)(x+1) since x^2 is always >=0

But then I get the range -1<x<1 which is not correct given that for instance when x=0 clearly inequality does not hold

Would you mind showing me where I went wrong here?

Thanks!
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Good that you bumped onto this thread Bunuel

Here's my question

On second statement how do we do critical points?

So we have x>x^4

Therefore x^4-x<0

Now then factorizing we have: x^2 (x-1)(x+1) , we only need to take care of (x-1)(x+1) since x^2 is always >=0

But then I get the range -1<x<1 which is not correct given that for instance when x=0 clearly inequality does not hold

Would you mind showing me where I went wrong here?

Thanks!
Cheers
J :)


Note that the inequality is
\(x^4 - x < 0\)

So on factoring you get
\(x (x^3 - 1) < 0\)
\(x(x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1) < 0\)

Now, (x^2 + x + 1) is always positive. It has no real roots. Hence we might as well assume it to be a positive number and ignore it for the sake of getting our transition points.
Transition points are 0 and 1. Since we want the negative region, the inequality will be negative between 0 and 1.

0 < x < 1

Though, you should try to understand the relation between x, x^2 and x^3 in the ranges < -1, -1 < x < 0, 0 < x <1 and x > 1 so that you don't need to use much algebra for such questions.
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Is x > x^2 ?

This would hold true if x<1

(1) x is greater than x^3
x can be a negative integer. For example x = -2. -2^3 = -8. But -2 is not greater than -2^2 = 4. Not sufficient.
(2) x is greater than x^4 For this to hold true, x would have to be less than 1. sufficient
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Re: Is x > x^2 ? (1) x is greater than x^3 (2) x is greater t [#permalink]
If the question really wants to know if x lies in the range (0,1)
hence B is sufficient
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Re: Is x > x^2 ? (1) x is greater than x^3 (2) x is greater t [#permalink]
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
jlgdr wrote:
Good that you bumped onto this thread Bunuel

Here's my question

On second statement how do we do critical points?

So we have x>x^4

Therefore x^4-x<0

Now then factorizing we have: x^2 (x-1)(x+1) , we only need to take care of (x-1)(x+1) since x^2 is always >=0

But then I get the range -1<x<1 which is not correct given that for instance when x=0 clearly inequality does not hold

Would you mind showing me where I went wrong here?

Thanks!
Cheers
J :)


Note that the inequality is
\(x^4 - x < 0\)

So on factoring you get
\(x (x^3 - 1) < 0\)
\(x(x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1) < 0\)

Now, (x^2 + x + 1) is always positive. It has no real roots. Hence we might as well assume it to be a positive number and ignore it for the sake of getting our transition points.
Transition points are 0 and 1. Since we want the negative region, the inequality will be negative between 0 and 1.

0 < x < 1

Though, you should try to understand the relation between x, x^2 and x^3 in the ranges < -1, -1 < x < 0, 0 < x <1 and x > 1 so that you don't need to use much algebra for such questions.


Hello VeritasPrepKarishma, Its been a while since i studies all such formulaes like (a+1)^3 or a^3-1 or (a+b+c)^2 etc, so should I revisit each and every of these formulaes?

Coming back to the question, Can I say that since x>x^4 and since x^4>0 always therefore x MUST be >0
Thus, x>0 and x^4-x<0
=> x(x^3-1)<0
=> x^3-1<0
=> x^3<1
Now, since x >0 then x^3 will be less than 1 only when 0<x<1; since for any real number greater than 1, the cube is greater than the number itself.

Thus i can say x<0<1. Hence sufficient.

Is my reasoning correct?

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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
jlgdr wrote:
Good that you bumped onto this thread Bunuel

Here's my question

On second statement how do we do critical points?

So we have x>x^4

Therefore x^4-x<0

Now then factorizing we have: x^2 (x-1)(x+1) , we only need to take care of (x-1)(x+1) since x^2 is always >=0

But then I get the range -1<x<1 which is not correct given that for instance when x=0 clearly inequality does not hold

Would you mind showing me where I went wrong here?

Thanks!
Cheers
J :)


Note that the inequality is
\(x^4 - x < 0\)

So on factoring you get
\(x (x^3 - 1) < 0\)
\(x(x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1) < 0\)

Now, (x^2 + x + 1) is always positive. It has no real roots. Hence we might as well assume it to be a positive number and ignore it for the sake of getting our transition points.
Transition points are 0 and 1. Since we want the negative region, the inequality will be negative between 0 and 1.

0 < x < 1

Though, you should try to understand the relation between x, x^2 and x^3 in the ranges < -1, -1 < x < 0, 0 < x <1 and x > 1 so that you don't need to use much algebra for such questions.


Hello VeritasPrepKarishma, Its been a while since i studies all such formulaes like (a+1)^3 or a^3-1 or (a+b+c)^2 etc, so should I revisit each and every of these formulaes?

Coming back to the question, Can I say that since x>x^4 and since x^4>0 always therefore x MUST be >0
Thus, x>0 and x^4-x<0
=> x(x^3-1)<0
=> x^3-1<0
=> x^3<1
Now, since x >0 then x^3 will be less than 1 only when 0<x<1; since for any real number greater than 1, the cube is greater than the number itself.

Thus i can say x<0<1. Hence sufficient.

Is my reasoning correct?

Regards


Some important algebraic identities:

\((x + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 + 2xy\)

\((x - y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 - 2xy\)

\(x^2 - y^2 = (x + y)*(x - y)\)

Others, if needed, you can calculate there and then.

\((x + y)^3 = (x + y)(x + y)(x + y) = (x^2 + y^2 + 2xy)(x + y) = x^3 + xy^2 + 2x^2y ...\)

As for this question, yes you can arrive at 0 < x< 1 through that method too. No problem in the reasoning though I would suggest you to look at the other methods discussed above too. They are more generic.
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Re: Is x > x^2 ? (1) x is greater than x^3 (2) x is greater t [#permalink]
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
Some important algebraic identities:

\((x + y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 + 2xy\)

\((x - y)^2 = x^2 + y^2 - 2xy\)

\(x^2 - y^2 = (x + y)*(x - y)\)

Others, if needed, you can calculate there and then.

\((x + y)^3 = (x + y)(x + y)(x + y) = (x^2 + y^2 + 2xy)(x + y) = x^3 + xy^2 + 2x^2y ...\)

As for this question, yes you can arrive at 0 < x< 1 through that method too. No problem in the reasoning though I would suggest you to look at the other methods discussed above too. They are more generic.


Thank you Karishma :) You guyz are doing a very good job. Will look at the other methods described above as well.
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Is \(x > x^2\) ?

Is \(x^2 - x < 0\)?
Is \(x(x-1) < 0\)?
Is \(0 < x < 1\)?

(1) \(x > x^3\)
\(x^3 - x < 0\)
\(x(x^2-1) < 0\)
\(x (x+1)(x-1) < 0\)
\(0 < x < 1\) and \(x < - 1\)

See graph. \(X^3 - x <0\) in two ranges. Insufficient.

(2) \(x > x^4\)

\(x^4 - x < 0\)
\(x(x^3 - 1) < 0\)
\(x(x - 1)(x^2 + x + 1) < 0\)
\(x(x - 1) < 0\)
\(0 < x < 1\)

Directly answers our question. Sufficient.

Answer is B.
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