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321. From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.
(A) and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources
(B) defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption
(C) and defined rights and obligations as they were involved in its distribution and consumption
(D) whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption
(E) the distribution and consumption of them defined by rights and obligations


Well I admit that I firstly choosed B instead of A .

A)organized....provided and...defined Paralelism
B) Defining is not paralel to organized and provided. First here I thought since '', providing'' modifies to whole sentence which preecede it, the phrase did not distort the paralelism and meaning . Yet , I was wrong.
C Since passive voice is used OUT (No passive is used in the sentence) Last sentence ends with ''resources'' and its here looks like modifying resources rather than society.
D whose is used for people not resources OUT
E no explanation but illogical
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Isn't a comma before the conjunction and incorrect usage?

At first I picked option (A) as it maintains the parallelism but seeing the comma before and I got confused.

Please clarify.
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Hi e-gmat,
You said that in the following

whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption

Whose refers to resources, my doubt is whether the rule for which ( which is that 'which' should touch the noun it modifies) also applies to that, whose, etc?

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Hi e-gmat,
You said that in the following

whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption

Whose refers to resources, my doubt is whether the rule for which ( which is that 'which' should touch the noun it modifies) also applies to that, whose, etc?

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Hi Sachin,
"Whose" is also a relative pronoun just like "which", "that", etc. It also modifies the preceding noun entity. In choice D, "whose" is preceded by "resources" and hence illogically modifies this noun entity.

Hope this helps. :)
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Thanks Shraddha,
So the same rule applies for all relative pronouns( which, that, whose, who,etc ) ?
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So the same rule applies for all relative pronouns( which, that, whose, who,etc ) ?



Hi Sachin,

That's correct. Realtive pronouns refers to the preceding noun entity that can be a single-word noun or a noun phrase.

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According to MGMAT SC Book, WHOSE can in fact modify either people or things. They provide the following example:
The town whose water supply was contaminated.

This is exactly why I chose D, I thought that WHOSE was flexible with this issue.

What am I missing.

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According to MGMAT SC Book, WHOSE can in fact modify either people or things. They provide the following example:
The town whose water supply was contaminated.

This is exactly why I chose D, I thought that WHOSE was flexible with this issue.

What am I missing.

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From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.

A)All parallel

(D)(resources), whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption

D is not parallel, but "whose" in this context is logically flawed. "the resources whose rights and obligations" => the resources do not have rights and obligations. Hope it's clear
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Dear Mike,

From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its
labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and
consumption of those resources.

(A) and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources
(8) defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption
(C) and defined rights and obligations as they were involved in its distribution and consumption
(D) whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption
(E) the distribution and consumption of them defined by right sand obligations

Please help me to understand the structure of this sentence

1. Subject: Kinship
Verb: determined

2.Subject: Ojibwa society
Verb: Organized , provided , defined

3. Participle: Involved

3. What is the antecedence of those? I cannot find any plural noun in the sentence.
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From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.

(A) and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources
(B) defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption
(C) and defined rights and obligations as they were involved in its distribution and consumption
(D) whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption
(E) the distribution and consumption of them defined by right sand obligations

Please help me to understand the structure of this sentence

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I'm happy to help. :-)

1. Subject: Kinship
Verb: determined

Correct! This is the main subject and verb of the whole sentence.

2.Subject: Ojibwa society
Verb: Organized , provided , defined

Correct! This is the S & V inside the subordinate clause beginning with "which." Three verbs correctly in parallel.

3. Participle: Involved
Correct! The participial phrase "involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources" is noun-modifier, an adjectival phrase, modifying the nouns "defined rights and obligations."

4. What is the antecedence of "those"? I cannot find any plural noun in the sentence.
Keep in mind that the words "this" and "that" and "these" and "those" have more than one role. They can act as demonstrative pronouns, which means they would stand in place of a noun and would have to have a clear antecedent; or, they can act as demonstrative noun-modifiers, simply modifying a noun. In the phrase "these resources", the word "these" is a noun-modifier, modifying the noun it touches, "resources", and it's plural because the noun is plural. The phrase, "these resources", refers back to the "resources" mentioned earlier in the sentence.

Does all this make sense?
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(A) and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources - seems right to be because of its parallel structure. Keep.

(B) defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption - not parallel. Incorrect. Listing should have "and" which also indicates that it is incorrect.

(C) and defined rights and obligations ((as they were)) involved in its distribution and consumption - incorrect.

(D) ((whose)) rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption - whom does whose modify ?? Resources ?? Incorrect meaning.

(E) the distribution and consumption ((of them)) defined by rights and obligations
- incorrect.

Hence, A is the only plausible answer.

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Hi E-gmat,

In option B, the underlined potion defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption could be the result/outcome of the term provided access to its resources.
If yes then i do not see any problem with option B.

Also is it possible that the word THEIR in underlined portion of option B could refer back to resources or labor?

Request you to please clarify my doubts.

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Hi E-gmat,

In option B, the underlined potion defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption could be the result/outcome of the term provided access to its resources.
If yes then i do not see any problem with option B.

Also is it possible that the word THEIR in underlined portion of option B could refer back to resources or labor?

Request you to please clarify my doubts.

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Hi Ankit,

1. Even if we go with that as the correct (intended) meaning, we'll end up with a structural issue. Take a look at the sentence that B will create (ignoring the opening modifier):

Kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption.

Because the defining bit has now become a modifier, we are left with a list of only two items, but more importantly, a list of only two items without an and, or anything else, to join them.

2. The their (plural) could refer to resources (plural), but not to labor (singular).
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What are the items in the list here?

The Ojibwa society organizedprovided… and defined

We can straightaway eliminate Options B, D and E since these aren’t parallel.

Now Option C has the ambiguous pronoun ‘they’. Eliminate.

Option A is the best choice.

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Here is a detailed explanation to this question-
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From the earliest days of the tribe, kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.


(A) and defined rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources

(B) defining rights and obligations involved in their distribution and consumption

(C) and defined rights and obligations as they were involved in its distribution and consumption

(D) whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption

(E) the distribution and consumption of them defined by rights and obligations



Meaning is crucial to solving this problem:
Understanding the intended meaning is key to solving this question; the intended meaning of this sentence is that kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor, provided access to its resources, and how it defined the rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources.

Concepts tested here: Meaning + Modifiers + Pronouns + Grammatical Construction

• In a “noun + comma + phrase” construction, the phrase must correctly modify the noun; this is one of the most frequently tested concepts on GMAT sentence correction.
• "who/whose/whom/which/where", when preceded by a comma, refer to the noun just before the comma.
• The introduction of present participle ("verb+ing"- “defining” in this case) after comma generally leads to a cause-effect relationship.
• If a list contains only two elements, they must be joined by a conjunction.

A: Correct.
1/ This answer choice uses the phrase "and defined rights and obligations involved in", avoiding the modifier errors seen in Options D and E and conveying the intended meaning - that kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor and provided access to its resources, and as a result kinship defined how the Ojibwa society defined the rights and obligations involved in distributing and consuming resources.
2/ Option A avoids the pronoun error seen in Option C, as it uses no pronouns.
3/ Option A avoids the grammatical construction error seen in Options B, D, and E, as it produces a list of three elements rather than one of two elements.

B:
1/ This answer choice alters the meaning of the sentence through the phrase "defining rights and obligations"; the use of the "comma + present participle ("verb+ing" - "defining" in this case) construction incorrectly implies that kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor and provided access to its resources, and as a result kinship defined the rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources; the intended meaning is that kinship determined the way in which the Ojibwa society organized its labor and provided access to its resources, and as a separate action kinship defined the rights and obligations involved in the distribution and consumption of those resources; remember, the introduction of present participle ("verb+ing"- “defining” in this case) after comma generally leads to a cause-effect relationship.
2/ Option B incorrectly uses a comma to join two elements in a list - "organized its labor" and "provided access to its resources"; remember, if a list contains only two elements, they must be joined by a conjunction.

C:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly uses the singular pronoun "its" to refer to the plural noun "resources".

D:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly modifies the noun "resources" with the phrase "whose rights and obligations were defined in their distribution and consumption", illogically implying that the rights and obligations of the resources were defined by how the resources were distributed and consumed; the intended meaning is that kinship defined how the Ojibwa society defined the rights and obligations involved in distributing and consuming resources; remember, "who/whose/whom/which/where", when preceded by a comma, refer to the noun just before the comma.
2/ Option D incorrectly uses a comma to join two elements in a list - "organized its labor" and "provided access to its resources"; remember, if a list contains only two elements, they must be joined by a conjunction.

E:
1/ This answer choice incorrectly modifies the noun "resources" with the phrase "the distribution and consumption of them defined by rights and obligations", incorrectly conveying that the distribution of resources available to the Ojibwa society was determined by rights and obligations; the intended meaning is that kinship defined how the Ojibwa society defined the rights and obligations involved in distributing and consuming resources; remember, in a “noun + comma + phrase” construction, the phrase must correctly modify the noun.
2/ Option E incorrectly uses a comma to join two elements in a list - "organized its labor" and "provided access to its resources"; remember, if a list contains only two elements, they must be joined by a conjunction.

Hence, A is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of "Phrase Comma Subject" and "Subject Comma Phrase" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~1 minute):



To understand the concept of "Comma Plus Present-Participle for Cause-Effect Relationship", you may want to watch the following video (~3 minutes):



To understand the concept of "Who", "Whose", "Whom", "Which", and "Where" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~1 minute):



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