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Hi!! In view of the above article, could you please advice how the following is correct:

The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

According to your article, "drawing on the funds for home mortgages" should modify "turns", but that does not seem to be the case.

Kindly advice.
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Hi Shraddha/Payal,

Could you please help me in understanding the below question

The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

A having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it
B having hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that they
C with its hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain scientists' assuming that they
D with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain scientists' assuming that it
E with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that it

I know, that the comma + ing should modify the previous clause. Here, we don't have a clause before comma+ing modifier, hence the usage is incorrect, however OG says that the wording suggests that the intricate structure has miniature eyes. Could you please help me out. Also, does comma+ with modifier modifies closest noun or it can modify clause as well.

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Hi!! In view of the above article, could you please advice how the following is correct:

The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

According to your article, "drawing on the funds for home mortgages" should modify "turns", but that does not seem to be the case.

Kindly advice.


Hi Mohish,

First of all thanks for posting this question. It is a great question that exemplifies yet again that we should understand the context first and then apply our knowledge of grammar rules accordingly. Let’s see this in action on this question:

The original building and loan associations were organized as limited life funds, whose members made monthly payments on their share subscriptions and then took turns drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

This is officially correct choice of Og12#114. The context of the sentence tells us that the members made monthly payments on something and they also took turns in doing something. So the context actually associates “drawing” to “turns”. i.e. the members took turns in drawing on the funds for home mortgages.

However, “drawing” is not a verb-ing modifier here. Why? Because “turns” are not drawing anything. We cannot say: …turns that drew on the funds… This is illogical. From the context we know that the members took turns in doing something.

So here, verb-ing form of word “draw” - “drawing” is actually functioning as a noun. This noun with an “ing” form is called gerund.

For what action did members take turns? Members took turns in drawing funds. The expression here means that one by one the members drew on funds. Take this sentence for example:

Before the competition, the contestants take turns swimming in the pool.

This sentence clearly says that before the swimming competition, the contestants swim in the pool one by one. They take turns swimming in the pool. Use of “swimming” is correct here. And here, “swimming” is not a modifier. It is a noun. Same is the case with the official sentence where “drawing” is not a verb-ing modifier (adjective) that modifies the preceding noun. It is a noun entity.

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1. Verb-ing word can play multiple roles
a. Act as a verb – continuous tense when preceded by ‘is/are/am/was/were’ (not discussed here)
b. Act as a modifier – discussed in part 1 and 2 of articles.
usage-of-verb-ing-modifiers-135220.html
udsage-of-verb-ing-modifiers-continued-135567.html
c. Act as a noun – also called as gerund – discussed in this post.

2. Always understand the meaning of the sentence to determine the function of each entity in the sentence.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Shraddha/Payal,

Could you please help me in understanding the below question

The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

A having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it
B having hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that they
C with its hundreds of miniature eyes that are called ommatidia, helps explain scientists' assuming that they
D with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain scientists' assuming that it
E with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that it

I know, that the comma + ing should modify the previous clause. Here, we don't have a clause before comma+ing modifier, hence the usage is incorrect, however OG says that the wording suggests that the intricate structure has miniature eyes. Could you please help me out. Also, does comma+ with modifier modifies closest noun or it can modify clause as well.

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Hi Himanshu,

• The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, help explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

It is true that comma + verb-ing modifies the preceding clause. But that happens when comma + verb-ing modifier is placed after a clause. There may be instances where you will see comma + verb-ing modifier is placed after the subject. In that case, the comma + verb-ing modifier modifies the subject.

Grammatically, in this OG 13#7 problem, “having” is modifying the subject “The intricate structure of the compound eye” after which it has been placed. However, this leads to illogical meaning. Now the sentence means that the intricate structure has hundreds of miniature eyes. Hence, we certainly have modifier error here.

Now, study the following OG 13#25 problem,

Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are now drawing solid conclusions about how the human brain grows and how babies acquire language.

In this sentence, usage of “having” is absolutely correct. It is placed after the subject “neuroscientists” and hence correctly modifies that entity. The meaning here is that neuroscientists have amassed a wealth of knowledge… The modification conveys the logical meaning.

Now let’s talk about the comma + with modifiers. So here we are talking about prepositional phrases. “with” modifiers are very versatile modifiers. They can modify either the preceding clause or the preceding nouns. What they modify actually depends on the context of the sentence and the wording of the modifier itself.

• Bihar is India's poorest state, with an annual per capita income of $111.

In this sentence, with modifier actually modifies the preceding noun. With modifier in this sentence has the following sense. Notice how “which has” can be understood to replace “with”.
India’s poorest state, which has an annual per capita income of $111

However, this modifier can be understood to modify the subject of the clause as well because of the nature of the verb - is. This is a linking verb, which establishes the following relationship:
Bihar = India’s poorest state.

Now lets consider a scenario in which “with” modifier modifies the preceding clause. This is a GMATPrep Question. You can find the detailed solution of this question at this link.

Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.

The comma +with modifier above modifies the preceding clause. In essence this sentence can be written as two separate sentences:

1. Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches.
2. Their arms and legs are hung like socks on a clothesline.

So sentence 2 has been converted into with modifier. This modifier extends the thought of the preceding clause by providing a detail supporting it.

Now if the above sounds very complicated, then do not worry about it. As long as you know that these modifiers are versatile and hence can modify preceding clause and preceding nouns, you would be fine. Let the meaning of the sentence guide you. You should understand the meaning of the sentence and ensure that one of these roles fit well.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Shraddha,

Your inputs on this question, will be of great help!

There are numerous products in order that they might use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a newly released item called the Vino-Lok that combines the elegance of a cork with the practicality of a screwcap.

A. in order that they might use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

B. that are used to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

C. so as they might use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

D. so that there could be used to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

E. such that they could use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a


In the Question above, though I got the right answer, I would like to understand what is "including" modifying here? In other words, is it used as a modifier? Yes/No.
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Hi Shraddha,

Thanks for the detailed response.

I think, you forgot to attach the link, but thats OK. I have seen the reasoning on eGmat blogs. :-)

Just one more doubt, could you please explain the Sentence Structure of the correct option i.e option e

Clause 1 :The intricate structure - helps
Clause 2: scientists - have
Clasue 3: it - evolved

Clause 2 and Clause 3 are connected by connector "That"; However, Clause 1 and Clause 2 have not used any connector.

please clarify this point.

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Now lets consider a scenario in which “with” modifier modifies the preceding clause. This is a GMATPrep Question. You can find the detailed solution of this question at this link.

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Hi Shraddha,

Thanks for the detailed response.

I think, you forgot to attach the link, but thats OK. I have seen the reasoning on eGmat blogs. :-)

Just one more doubt, could you please explain the Sentence Structure of the correct option i.e option e

Clause 1 :The intricate structure - helps
Clause 2: scientists - have
Clasue 3: it - evolved

Clause 2 and Clause 3 are connected by connector "That"; However, Clause 1 and Clause 2 have not used any connector.

please clarify this point.

Thanks
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Hi Himanshu,

First of all, apologies for not mentioning the link. I just missed it somehow. :P

Let's come to your doubt now.

The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

Let’s split this sentence into clauses:

Cl 1: The intricate structure of the compound insect eye, with its hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain
Cl 2: why scientists have assumed
Cl 3: that it evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

(blue = subjects, green = verbs)

You are absolutely correct in saying that Clause 3 is connected to Clause 2 by “that”. Notice that Clause 2 is connected with Clause 1 by relative pronoun “why”. This pronoun starts a dependent clause (DC) and connects this DC to an independent clause, which in this case is Clause 1. Hence, all the clauses are correctly connected to each other.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Himanshu,

Let me correct myself here. "Why" is not a relative pronoun. Apologies here. :P

"Why" is essentially an adverb because we generally present a reason for doing some action by using "why". Also, "why" acts as an conjunction in some cases and joins two clauses.

This sentence is an example of that scenario. Here "why" is working as a conjunction that is joining clause 2 with clause 1.

Take for example: He explained, "This is why I resigned from the job."

This is a sentence in direct speech. We can turn this sentence into an indirect speech sentence by saying:

He explained why he resigned from the job.

In such cases, use of "why" helps us keep the sentence concise and clear by joining two sentences and suggesting that reason is provided for some action.

Once again, I apologize for the error committed in the last post.

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In the Question above, though I got the right answer, I would like to understand what is "including" modifying here? In other words, is it used as a modifier? Yes/No.


Hi @pavanpuneet,

There are numerous products in order that they might use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a newly released item called the Vino-Lok that combines the elegance of a cork with the practicality of a screwcap.

A. in order that they might use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

B. that are used to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

C. so as they might use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

D. so that there could be used to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

E. such that they could use to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a

Now let’s look at the sentence with the correct answer choice B:

There are numerous products that are used to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a newly released item called the Vino-Lok that combines the elegance of a cork with the practicality of a screwcap.

The first thing to notice is that “including” does not follow the rules of the verb-ing modifiers. “Including” always refers to a noun entity and needless to say a logical noun entity. Generally, “including” is placed next to the noun entity it refers to. But that is not the case always.

This sentence is an example of that scenario. In this sentence, “including” is correctly modifying “numerous products”. It is jumping over the “that clause modifier” that modifies the same entity. Now “that clauses” are always placed next to the entity that they modify. So here, it is not possible to change the placement of “that clause”. Since “including” is pretty flexible, it has been separated from “numerous products” by adding a modifier in between. This usage is absolutely correct.

Take a look at the following correct official sentences:

1. A study by the Ocean Wildlife Campaign urged states to undertake a number of remedies to reverse a decline in the shark population, including establishing size limits for shark catches, closing state waters for shark fishing during pupping season, and requiring commercial fishers to have federal shark permits. (GMAT Prep - Choice D).

“including” is jumping over the modifier “to reverse… population” to modify “remedies”.

2. The new image of Stone Age people as systematic hunters of large animals, rather than mere scavengers of meat, has emerged from the examination of tools found in Germany, including three wooden spears that archaeologists believe to be about 400,000 years old. (GMAT Prep - Choice E)

“including” here is skipping the verb-ed modifier “found in Germany” to modify “tools” because that modifier cannot be placed elsewhere.

3. Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own. (GMAT Prep & Verbal 2nd Edition #107 – Choice B)

Here “including” is preceded by a comma. Still it does not modify the preceding clause but the preceding noun. SO here it is placed next to the entity it modifies.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Shraddha,

Can you please provide link to the part-3 of the verb-ing modifiers.
I search but no success :(

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Well, we don't have Part 3 of this series. :P The two parts cover the majority of this topic. For more on the usage of Verb-ing Modifiers, you can log on to e-gmat.com, register for free and review the concept named Modifiers - Verb-ing in the Level 1 preview level concepts. Registration is free and you can learn a few more important concepts listed in our preview level concepts.

Let us know if you need any help. :)
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Hi debayan,

Good analysis there. However, I have one question for you. What is the antecedent of pronoun "it" in choice A and E? Looking forward to your reply.

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Hi debayan,

Good analysis there. However, I have one question for you. What is the antecedent of pronoun "it" in choice A and E? Looking forward to your reply.

Thanks. :)
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Thanks Shraddha.. :)
In both the case, antecedent of pronoun "it" is The intricate structure of the compound insect eye... It's the structure of the insect eye that drives the game here I believe.

Please let me know your thoughts..!
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In both the case, antecedent of pronoun "it" is The intricate structure of the compound insect eye... It's the structure of the insect eye that drives the game here I believe.

Please let me know your thoughts..!


Hi debayan,

I kind of got it that you think that “it” refers to “The intricate structure of the compound insect eye”. So per your answer, the sentence says that the intricate structure of the compound insect eye, having hundreds of miniature eyes called ommatidia, helps explain why scientists have assumed that “the structure” evolved independently of the vertebrate eye.

Now, tell me does that make sense? Can a structure evolve? That to independently of the vertebrate eye?

So, pronoun “it” does not refer to “the structure”. This “it” refers to “the compound insect eye”. And the scientists now have the reason to explain why they assume that the compound insect eye evolved independently of the vertebrate eye. This is the logical meaning of the sentence.

Hope this helps. :)
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Hi Shraddha
It seems there is an exception to both the verb-ing rules :
1. Placement after a clause not preceded by a comma
The rule states verb-ing modifier should modify the preceding nound or noun phrase but below example shows the exception to this rule :
Exception : There are numerous products that are used to seal a bottle of wine including a cork, a screwcap, and a newly released item called the Vino-Lok that combines the elegance of a cork with the practicality of a screwcap.

1. Placement after a clause preceded by a comma
- Either presents an additional information about the preceding clause or presents the result of preceding clause
Exception : 3. Bluegrass musician Bill Monroe, whose repertory, views on musical collaboration, and vocal style influenced generations of bluegrass artists, also inspired many musicians, including Elvis Presley and Jerry Garcia, whose music differed significantly from his own. (GMAT Prep & Verbal 2nd Edition #107 – Choice B)

Need help to understand how do we differentiate b/w a right & a wrong choice for verb-ing modifier with all the exceptions stated above for it.
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