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Hello,

Could you please give me a little feedback on my unique situation? I am applying for MBA programs in pursuit of a JD/MBA dual degree. I am hoping for admission into at least one top 14 law school (such as Cornell, Harvard, Virginia, Penn, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia) and would like to get into the MBA program as well. However, I am a college senior and am concerned about the uphill battle with work experience. While I have not been working after undergraduate I started a real estate investment business and work in real estate. I am a female Native American(citizen of Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma), 3.65 gpa in Business from a large public institution, with a GMAT of 710, AWA 5.5, Quant in the 71st percentile(my weakness) and Verbal in the 96th percentile. I am applying through the Consortium to schools like Michigan, Darden, Yale, Cornell, ect. Do I have a chance of getting into the Business School at any of these? If so, how can I craft an application to make up for my weaknesses and highlight my strengths?

Thank you for your insight!
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I saw your 'Mumbai-mumbler' video. Quite funny! You seem familiar with international applicants' problems.

I’ve done my undergrad from Mumbai (Bombay) University, India. Different universities in India have different grading even though most of them follow the Percentage system

For example, a First Class (60% to 75%) is considered a good score in Mumbai University (which has an extremely difficult grading system) but may be an average score in universities in other parts of India.

My score was 65% which might seem like a poor score to someone not familiar with the grading. Should I write an optional essay explaining this? Unfortunately, I can only guess what percentile my score would be (my guess 85%) but there are no official percentile-records that the university maintains.

I’m also aware that most business schools do not ask the applicants to convert their scores to GPA.

I also have a Masters degree from a renowned engineering school in the US with a very good GPA. Can I put all this in the optional essay and ask the schools to assess my academic ability based on my grades in the Masters program since they’re standardized?

I read in some thread that one student (also from my university) was asked by Wharton to explain the reasons for his poor undergrad score. He had a similar score (65%) which is actually ‘First Class’ and a good score in Mumbai University. If a school like Wharton (which I'm sure receives many applications from all over the world) is not familiar with the grading of Mumbai University, chances are that other schools might not very very familiar too.

I’m applying to part-time programs and have 5+ years of experience working in a Fortune 500 company in the US.

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Just state it in one sentence explaining that your raw score is First Class (i.e. within the top percentiles) for the school. That's all you need to say.
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Could you please suggest me schools where i can apply this year. Below is a brief history-


I'm a civil eng by degree (from one of the top 5 tech inst in india) but i'm working for a bank (mortgages) which involves a lot of understanding of the real estate sector and the eco conditions affecting it. I'm also consulting builders on how to increase sales and other strategies regarding construction problems. I gave my GMAT twice this year, i was disappointed with the scores 650, 640, even though i was scoring 700+ in my practice tests.

I have a 2 yr work ex. 1.5 with the bank and the previous 6 months with a civil consultant,as a structures designer.

My col GPA is very low- 6.3/10. But i have a lot of extra curric during that time. I was the president of a cultural club involving around 120 students,was actively involved in the organization of the col's annual cultural festival, was the vice captain of the col's basketball team. I also have a couple of business plans,which won prizes, though never started.

I have helped my alumni association in organizing the 1st global meet of our col.

Could you suggest me whether i should apply to schools this year, with that score ? And which schools should i focus on ?


It's not just your score - you need to work a few more years as well. I strongly suggest waiting at least another year or two before applying given your background.
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Hello,

Could you please give me a little feedback on my unique situation? I am applying for MBA programs in pursuit of a JD/MBA dual degree. I am hoping for admission into at least one top 14 law school (such as Cornell, Harvard, Virginia, Penn, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia) and would like to get into the MBA program as well. However, I am a college senior and am concerned about the uphill battle with work experience. While I have not been working after undergraduate I started a real estate investment business and work in real estate. I am a female Native American(citizen of Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma), 3.65 gpa in Business from a large public institution, with a GMAT of 710, AWA 5.5, Quant in the 71st percentile(my weakness) and Verbal in the 96th percentile. I am applying through the Consortium to schools like Michigan, Darden, Yale, Cornell, ect. Do I have a chance of getting into the Business School at any of these? If so, how can I craft an application to make up for my weaknesses and highlight my strengths?

Thank you for your insight!


What are you hoping to do after the dual-degree program?

I think the JD/MBA is only useful if you intend on practicing law. Otherwise, if you're looking for a business career, don't bother with a JD as that degree is useless on its own - you aren't in a position to practice law unless you pass the state bar exam, and even then - law is a profession of specialists, and a generalist degree like a JD won't be of much use in real world legal situations that require the expertise of a specialist - i.e. if you have a trademark/IP issue, what you learned in your JD won't substitute for legal counsel from actual trademark/IP lawyers. In the real world, even lawyers will blanch at giving any advice outside their expertise area -- ask a trademark/IP lawyer about your sister's workplace sexual harassment suit, and that trademark/IP lawyer won't be able to give any real advice beyond very high level stuff that won't be of any use to your sister's suit. It's like asking a psychiatrist to perform heart bypass surgery - yes, they both went to med school (and maybe even the same med school). Again, the JD and MD are generalist degrees that are just the first baby steps towards what are highly specialized professions. The MBA on the other hand is a generalist degree that prepares its grads for a generalist profession (business isn't about being really good at a super specific task - it's about managing a bunch of things as a whole, which is the opposite of law or medicine).

Again, only do a JD/MBA if you are going to practice law.

If you're looking for a business career, don't waste time or money with a JD. And if that's the case, you really should work for a few years before applying. In fact, while law schools don't require work experience, unlike say a generation ago, about half the entering class at most top law schools have 2-3 years of post-college full-time experience.

As a college senior, it's hard to truly appreciate the value of working in the real world for a few years right after college, but it'll be far better for you and your career, because you learn far more about what you are interested in (and what you're not interested in) - not just in terms of the actual work, but the kinds of people you can learn from the most in a professional context, as well as lifestyle issues (the kinds of workplaces and lifestyles that allow you to be your best - i.e. some people can handle corporate travel better than others; some folks can handle certain kinds of long hours while others can't; and so on and so forth). By going back to school right away, your learning will be done completely in a vacuum with zero personal context. It sounds like you are well on your way to having a great start to your career, you sound like a level headed and driven person, so you are best off channeling that into working for a few years.

Again, I strongly suggest you hold off on applications, and find a full-time job. Your biggest weakness right now is lack of context (no post-college full-time experience, and no, your current experience is no substitute for that), which you can't overcome without actually having those years of experience.
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Dear Alex,

Im thinking to apply to top MBA programs. I would like to know your opinion about INSEAD. I like it but I am afraid about its career prospect as the situation in Europe is not very good and they hayve 1000 graduates a year wich is huge. Do you think its comparable to Columbia, Chicago, MIT, Tuck etc?

Checking its employment report, I notice only around 50% of students get jobs thorugh career sevices which is really low. Do you have any idea why this occur?

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Dear Alex,

Im thinking to apply to top MBA programs. I would like to know your opinion about INSEAD. I like it but I am afraid about its career prospect as the situation in Europe is not very good and they hayve 1000 graduates a year wich is huge. Do you think its comparable to Columbia, Chicago, MIT, Tuck etc?

Checking its employment report, I notice only around 50% of students get jobs thorugh career sevices which is really low. Do you have any idea why this occur?

Thank you and regards

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The main reason why far fewer INSEAD students get jobs through career services is that there are far more people at INSEAD who return to their pre-MBA employers, and most of these employers are consulting firms like McKinsey, BCG, Bain, and so forth. All the top b-schools in the US have tons of mgmt consultants -- however, they are going to b-school to get out of consulting (or if they are at a Big-4, they are looking to upgrade to McKinsey, Bain, BCG, etc.). And yes, some of them will still go back to the same consulting firm post-MBA. At INSEAD however, traditionally the mgmt consultants there have no intention of leaving - and many are sponsored by their firms (this is also a cultural thing perhaps as well - the mentality in Europe in the business world is far less "mercenary" or "freelance" compared to the US and folks tend to stick with the same company for much longer -- although that is changing).

As for the situation in Europe - that is obviously a much broader and more difficult question! Everyone I'm sure has a different opinion on this obviously, as I'm sure many economists disagree. It's hard to say really.

Personally, I don't think things will change much in Europe in the short-term; in fact, there's so much uncertainty right now that I doubt it'll get any better in the next few years until there is more clarity -- is Greece as f*cked as it seems? Will Spain and Italy's economies follow Greece's down the toiet, or will it at least stabilize after going through some short-term pain? And will Spain or Italy drag the rest or Europe (esp. France) down with it? How will German voter frustration and contempt affect their own gov't's attitude towards the rest of Europe? The biggest problem now with Europe is the sheer uncertainty. Everyone knows that Europe will go through a period of adjustment - but no one really knows how that will play out or the sheer severity of it. It's bad - but no one knows how bad it is, and just as important - everyone is terrified about finding out how bad it is.

The thing is, it seems like MBA applicants in Europe have felt it - applications to LBS last year was down 20%+ from what I read somewhere.

So in summary, INSEAD is a *great* school. If you were looking for jobs in Europe (regardless of industry), it's as good as it gets, and better than any top b-school like Chicago, Columbia, Kellogg, etc. for recruiting in Europe. But again, you're right, the economy in Europe is uncertain right now. Having said that, the US isn't exactly a picnic either; the economy has stabilized somewhat, but still slow, sluggish, and sentiment seems to be generally pessimistic at least in the short-term.
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I hope this finds you well. I've pasted an overview of my profile below. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Andrew

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Profile: 32 years old, American male, Caucasian
Undergrad: BS Psychology at Big Ten school, 3.56 GPA
Grad: Some coursework at Big Ten school of Music, 3.51 GPA
GMAT: 760 (99%), 49Q (83%)/46V (99%)

Work Experience (5 1/2 years):
I started at a Coordinator/Assistant level in Business/Legal Affairs at a small (50 employees) independent home entertainment studio/label in Los Angeles and received two promotions within 3 ½ years, becoming their Director of Digital Business/Strategy. Being at a small company, I’ve gained very broad experience in many areas as a one-person operation, including short/long-term digital strategy, financial projections/forecasts, business development, marketing/promotions, negotiating agreements, content/asset delivery, and managing digital partner/content owner relationships. I’ve grown our annual digital revenue from 5 to 7 figures in 4 years, and our company has been at the forefront of independent studios in launching content for multiple high-level launches (eg Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc.). I currently manage one employee and have managed 3 interns in past.

Background/Why MBA:
After completing some masters-level coursework at a Big Ten school of music, I decided that the best way to pursue a career in the entertainment business was to move to Los Angeles and take an entry-level job. That job quickly affirmed that my main interests involve formulating a strategy that makes my department as efficient, cost-effective and profitable as possible and then making the moves that put that strategy into motion.

I looked at my move to Los Angeles as an investment in experiences/skills while knowing that my long-term plan would eventually bring me back to the Midwest. I have since married and now my wife and I have a little one that we want to raise near our extended families. In the short-term, my interests have led me into an area where the available strategy work in the Midwest lies in non-entertainment industries such as consulting. These factors, in addition to my discussions with recruiters about my long-term goals, make this the perfect time for me pursue an MBA. An MBA will give me the education, experience and qualifications needed to further my career in strategy.

Extra Curricular/Volunteer Work:
I was heavily involved in helping fellow students while in undergrad. I spent 4 years working at my college’s learning center. 1 ½ of those years were spent mentoring college-level algebra, including leading 3-5 classes/semester of 15-25 students each. I also spent 3 years working at the student resource resource center. I received 2 college leadership awards in addition to being named a top 100 outstanding student at my college as a senior.

While in Los Angeles I’ve done several things. I spent 2 ½ years in a mentoring program for at risk youth from South Central Los Angeles. I’ve done volunteer work for multiple organizations including the Special Olympics, AIDS Project Los Angeles, Rock the Classroom, the Los Angeles Veteran’s Hospital, Heal the Bay, etc. I’m also involved on a special committee at my job that promotes employee morale and involvement. I’ve organized after work social activities, promoted volunteering, organized employee tennis tournaments and co-managed softball teams, and other events.

Post MBA Plan:
Short-term: Placement in a large company with an office in the Midwest in a Strategy/Consulting role. One example is Engagement Manager at McKinsey & Co.

Long-term: COO/CEO at a large company.

Possible Shortcomings:
Work Experience: working for a small company has been an amazing experience, but the infrastructure and amount of work required in my one-person department did not facilitate a need for more employees until recently. Without speaking with various ad-coms, I’m not sure if the management/leadership experience I’ve had in working with clients and extra-curricular activities is adequate or covers the number of employees that I’ve managed.

Academics: I received an incomplete in one of my last graduate-level courses, and that eventually led to an F on my transcript. I’ve read multiple thoughts on how this may affect my application, and my main concern is the timing of the F.

Schools:
HBS, Wharton, Booth, Kellogg, Kelley (IU), Mendoza (Notre Dame)
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In short, I think schools like Kellogg and Booth are reasonable stretches. Schools in the Duke, Darden, Ross, UCLA, Cornell, Yale, and NYU are more your sweet spots. Kelley and Notre Dame are safeties that you should have no problems getting into. HBS and Wharton are big stretches: nothing glaringly wrong with you, but you're up against more than enough folks who are younger and have more pedigree on their resumes (and while you aren't the cookie cutter consultant/banker/engineer -- you aren't really a non-traditional applicant either since your work experience is business related). Again, you seem to be a solid all around candidate, so the other top schools are more likely going to be in range where you're not up against as many folks with a lot of pedigree.

Here's what I suggest:

HBS/Wharton: choose one as your hail mary if you must

Then focus on Kellogg, Booth, Ross, Duke, Darden, Kelley and Notre Dame. UCLA is west coast (and you said you want to leave); Cornell/Yale/NYU attract more folks interested in finance careers post-MBA; Duke/Darden/Ross tend to attract those who are interested in consulting and industry, and whose culture tends to be more family oriented (college town/ suburbia). With this list, you should be able to get into a few of the schools hopefully and have some options to choose from. Good luck!
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hi alex,

profession:Merchant Navy
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gmat :620(3rd attempt) (quant :49,verbal:25)

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what are my chances in ISB, HKUST ?

please suggest
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hi alex,

profession:Merchant Navy
work ex- 4years / (including 1 year of paid internship)
INDIAN
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CGPA:4.0/4.0
gmat :620(3rd attempt) (quant :49,verbal:25)

decent extra curricular
good professional achievements

Served NGO:2 years

what are my chances in ISB, HKUST ?

please suggest


Honestly your GMAT is going to be a big handicap especially for ISB since their average is around 700. As for HKUST, I believe their average is in the mid-600s or so - so your score is not quite as far off; however, it's still going to be a stretch.

Practically speaking, all you can do now is just apply to these schools with your strongest possible applications, and hope that there's enough luck on your side to get in.
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700mirage wrote:
hi alex,

profession:Merchant Navy
work ex- 4years / (including 1 year of paid internship)
INDIAN
age:25
CGPA:4.0/4.0
gmat :620(3rd attempt) (quant :49,verbal:25)

decent extra curricular
good professional achievements

Served NGO:2 years

what are my chances in ISB, HKUST ?

please suggest


Honestly your GMAT is going to be a big handicap especially for ISB since their average is around 700. As for HKUST, I believe their average is in the mid-600s or so - so your score is not quite as far off; however, it's still going to be a stretch.

Practically speaking, all you can do now is just apply to these schools with your strongest possible applications, and hope that there's enough luck on your side to get in.



thank you so much for guiding me

can you please suggest that taking 3 or more attempts in GMAT reflects a bad side in the application? how does the college takes these repeated attempts in evaluating the application ?

gmat (1 st attempt):530
gmat (2nd attempt):550
gmat (3rd attempt):620

since i gave 3 attempts ,do you suggest me to retake the GMAT?
what should i do for ISB and HKUST in my application ?

thanks in advance
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thank you so much for guiding me

can you please suggest that taking 3 or more attempts in GMAT reflects a bad side in the application? how does the college takes these repeated attempts in evaluating the application ?

gmat (1 st attempt):530
gmat (2nd attempt):550
gmat (3rd attempt):620

since i gave 3 attempts ,do you suggest me to retake the GMAT?
what should i do for ISB and HKUST in my application ?

thanks in advance


Retake the GMAT. Yes it's a concern that you've taken it that many times, but getting a competitive score on a 4th attempt is still better than submitting an app with your current score.
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In short, it comes down to your GMAT. For the schools you're looking for aim for a 700 or greater to be safe (high 600's at a bare minimum, or else you'll be a long shot).

Your age won't be an issue for European schools - they tend to skew a little older anyhow so you won't feel out of place (while most folks at US programs are in their mid- to late-20s, at the Euro programs it tends to skew late-20s to early-30s).

Beyond that, it's just a matter of putting together the strongest applications. Your profile is competitive enough (assuming your GMAT is strong that is). Good luck!


Thanks for your time, Alex!

I took the GMAT today and got a 710 (Q47 - 73% and V41 - 93%). Both quant and verbal are in the lower range of my prep scores, and I think I can get up to Q48-49 with reasonably certainty. Is it worth the extra effort to cross 80% in quant do you think? With a demanding full-time job and two kids I don't want to spend more time on the GMAT unless it will significantly improve my chances.
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AlexMBAApply wrote:
In short, it comes down to your GMAT. For the schools you're looking for aim for a 700 or greater to be safe (high 600's at a bare minimum, or else you'll be a long shot).

Your age won't be an issue for European schools - they tend to skew a little older anyhow so you won't feel out of place (while most folks at US programs are in their mid- to late-20s, at the Euro programs it tends to skew late-20s to early-30s).

Beyond that, it's just a matter of putting together the strongest applications. Your profile is competitive enough (assuming your GMAT is strong that is). Good luck!


Thanks for your time, Alex!

I took the GMAT today and got a 710 (Q47 - 73% and V41 - 93%). Both quant and verbal are in the lower range of my prep scores, and I think I can get up to Q48-49 with reasonably certainty. Is it worth the extra effort to cross 80% in quant do you think? With a demanding full-time job and two kids I don't want to spend more time on the GMAT unless it will significantly improve my chances.


I can't remember what your undergraduate background is, but it really depends. If you were a liberal arts major, then you probably should retake it as the adcoms will be concerned about your ability to handle the quantitative aspects of the MBA program. If your degree was in engineering, business or something quantitative, then you should be okay - it's not ideal, but the adcoms will be a bit more forgiving.
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Nationality: Indian
GMAT: 740 (Q 49 V42)
GPA: 3.61 from top 50 engineering school USA (Tier 2/3) Graduated cum lade
Major: Electrical Engineering
Minor: Business Administration
Work Experience: 3 years at Matriculation
(India) 1 Year: Business Development officer for an online portal (gracerequest.com) for spa and salon reservations, and gym memberships. The business didn’t go well so we closed it after one year. I was working with the founder and 3 others.
(India) 2 years: Big 4 IT Risk, Associate Consultant
Internships:
• Comcast : Software QA 6 mths (USA)
• Central Electronics Limited (Govt of India) : Solar photovoltaic QA 6 mths
Community Service: Taught poor children in a village every weekend for 6 months
Leadership
• Elected officer for two professional organizations college chapter
• Represented the university at a leadership conference
Honors:
• Member electrical engineering honors society
• Ranked 3rd in Senior Design Competition
• Dean’s List
• Dean’s Merit Scholarship
Future Plans:
Use my mba education and international exposure to improve my business acumen and come back to India, an emerging economy, and start my own business.
Please evaluate my chances for the following colleges
1. Wharton
2. LBS
3. INSEAD
4. Kellogg
5) ISB
6) MIT
Also, please let me know if there is any apparent weakness.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Aju wrote:
Nationality: Indian
GMAT: 740 (Q 49 V42)
GPA: 3.61 from top 50 engineering school USA (Tier 2/3) Graduated cum lade
Major: Electrical Engineering
Minor: Business Administration
Work Experience: 3 years at Matriculation
(India) 1 Year: Business Development officer for an online portal (gracerequest.com) for spa and salon reservations, and gym memberships. The business didn’t go well so we closed it after one year. I was working with the founder and 3 others.
(India) 2 years: Big 4 IT Risk, Associate Consultant
Internships:
• Comcast : Software QA 6 mths (USA)
• Central Electronics Limited (Govt of India) : Solar photovoltaic QA 6 mths
Community Service: Taught poor children in a village every weekend for 6 months
Leadership
• Elected officer for two professional organizations college chapter
• Represented the university at a leadership conference
Honors:
• Member electrical engineering honors society
• Ranked 3rd in Senior Design Competition
• Dean’s List
• Dean’s Merit Scholarship
Future Plans:
Use my mba education and international exposure to improve my business acumen and come back to India, an emerging economy, and start my own business.
Please evaluate my chances for the following colleges
1. Wharton
2. LBS
3. INSEAD
4. Kellogg
5) ISB
6) MIT
Also, please let me know if there is any apparent weakness.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thank you very much for your time.


Biggest thing you need to do is to readjust your expectations. Nothing really "wrong" with you other than for the range of schools you listed, you're simply up against too many folks with more desirable profiles and/or more extensive experience (Indian engineers with 5-6 years of experience at F500 companies, and not in IT services).

Stretch schools are Cornell, Yale, Stern, Duke, Ross, Darden and UCLA.
Sweet spot schools are in the top 30 such as Emory, Texas, Tepper, USC, UNC, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Georgetown.
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Hi Alex,

It would be really helpful if u could pls evaluate my profie


Indian 29/M

GMAT - 650 (Q50, V29) :(
CFA (Charter Pending)
FRM (GARP)

Post Graduate Diploma in Banking & Finance (NIBM , Pune - Governed by
RBI) (CGPA- 9.22/10)

BBA (Agra University - 68%)

Professional

State Bank of India (Corporate Lending - Assistant Vice President - 5
yrs work ex)

Shipping Corporation of India Ltd ( Merchant Navy - 1.5 years)

Extracurricular

Volunteered for Tsunami Relief & Rehabilitation (Andman & Nicobar Islands)

Member & Volunteer of Indian association of Investment professionals

Associated with NGO - Need for the improvement of Rural Livelihood

Photography

Target school - Tuck , Chicago Booth

Future Plans

Long term - To start an NFBC

Short Term - To change over from corporate Banking to PE

thanks
GMAT Club Bot
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