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Scientists have determined that Radon - a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas - is unstable because of its radioactive nature and continuously decays into Progeny. Since it has been proven that there was no Progeny at the time of earth’s formation, one can accurately estimate earth’s age by determining the increase in Progeny in earth’s atmosphere over the last 200 years and using it to determine how many years it would have taken to reach current levels of Progeny.

The answer to which of the following questions would be most important in determining whether using the method would help in achieving the stated objective?

A. Whether the rate of decay of Radon into Progeny is different during day time and night time?
B. Whether Progeny is stable or gets converted into some other gas at constant rate?
C. Whether there have been any changes in the atmosphere in the past century that have increased the radioactivity decay level of all gases?
D. Whether there are methods, better than the method given, to estimate the earth’s age?
E. Whether amount of Radon or Progeny varies from region to region?

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Facts:
* Radon (colorless,odorless and tasteless gas) is unstable because of its radioactive nature and consinuously decays into Progeny
* There was no Progeny at the time of earth's formation
Method :
Determining the increase in Progeny in earth’s atmosphere over the last 200 years and using it to determine how many years it would have taken to reach current levels of Progeny.
Stated objective :
Estimate earth's age
IMO
A. Clearly irrelevant
B. CORRECT, Whether Progeny is stable or gets converted into some other gas at constant rate will help us to know if the method is accurate. If the answer to this question is No then how can we determine the increase in Progeny in earth's atmosphere if Progeny is unstable adn therefore we could NOT estimate the number of years it would have taken to reach current levels of Progeny.
C. Whether there have been any changes in the atmosphere in the past century that have increased the radioactivity decay level of all gases is IRRELEVANT since Randon is an example of a gas who undergoes its radioactivity nature but consinously decays into Progeny according to the first fact.
D. INCORRECT , we are requiered to evaluate the method stated Vs the stated objective.
E. Irrelevant since we are concerned with earth's atmosphere .....
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Premise :- Radon decays into Progney, by measuring the increase in progeny over last 200 years age of earth can be determined.

assumption :- the sample data is representative enough, means the average increase in progeny over its lifetime would be the same as the increase in past 200 years.

POE :-

A :- Different decay rate during day time/night time :- since we are concerned with the aggregate increase over the 200 year period this is not correct.
B :- Whether Progney is stable or converted into another gas @constant rate :- This option states that for both the extreme spectrums of a Yes/No answer, you will be able to determine the age of earth. If Progeny is stable then by directly measuring the increase in Progney or if it gets converted into another gas then by measuring the increase in another gas. The answer choice does not fluctuate to extreme`s and hence is not the correct answer.
C :- changes in atmosphere over last century :- A No answer to the question will state that the decay is constant and the 200 year sample is representative enough. A yes answer to the question will state that the 200 year sample is not representative enough, and hence is the correct option.
D :- other methods :- OFS
E :- Amount of progeny varies from region to region :- similar to option A, this option also segregates decay by region but our scope is for the entire earth`s atmosphere.

IMO :- C
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Re: Scientists have determined that Radon - a colorless, [#permalink]
My analysis

Firstly this is an evaluate the argument type question.

Facts/Premise - Radon is a gas which decays and becomes Progeny.
There was not Progeny when earth was formed.
Because of this reason earth' age can be accurately estimated. How by calculating the increase in Progeny and then determining in how many years this increase happened.

Underlying fact or assumption is - Progeny does not decay or converts into something else because the total amount of progeny is important for calculating the age.

Analysis of answer choices

A) OFS the rate of day and night is not relevant
B) Looks relevant and very close to our assumption. Park it for variance test
C) Can be relevant. park it for final analysis.
D) Completely OFS.
E)No relevant the argument is not talking about regional changes.

Now lets analyze C and D

B) moved to one extreme Progeny is not converted to any other gas - conclusion is validated. The proposed method would work.
Other extreme - Progeny is converted to some other gas, but the method is measuring only progeny hence it will miss out on the converted Progeny. Invalidated
B is the correct choice ( but lets look at C too)

C) Whether there have been any changes in the atmosphere in the past century that have increased the radioactivity decay level of all gases?

Yes there have been changes - Does not impact the argument, this increase will be factored in the calculation. As for Progeny it is not mentioned if it is also decaying.
No there have not been changes - Again no impact.

So B is the correct choice. Waiting for the explanation from E-gmat.










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Scientists have determined that Radon - a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas - is unstable because of its radioactive nature and continuously decays into Progeny. Since it has been proven that there was no Progeny at the time of earth’s formation, one can accurately estimate earth’s age by determining the increase in Progeny in earth’s atmosphere over the last 200 years and using it to determine how many years it would have taken to reach current levels of Progeny.

The answer to which of the following questions would be most important in determining whether using the method would help in achieving the stated objective?

A. Whether the rate of decay of Radon into Progeny is different during day time and night time?
B. Whether Progeny is stable or gets converted into some other gas at constant rate?
C. Whether there have been any changes in the atmosphere in the past century that have increased the radioactivity decay level of all gases?
D. Whether there are methods, better than the method given, to estimate the earth’s age?
E. Whether amount of Radon or Progeny varies from region to region?

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Re: Scientists have determined that Radon - a colorless, [#permalink]
imho, B (Whether Progeny is stable... ) is not correct, since in the q. stem we are said that that Radon - a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas - is indeed unstable

I choose answ C
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Re: Scientists have determined that Radon - a colorless, [#permalink]
IMO answer is B
I think this question is the replica of an official question.
Strange not much of discussion......

Conclusion: Earth's age can be determined by tracing the development of progenies.
In argument its mentioned that earths age can be found accurately by interpolation. That means the method has some kind of proportionality with the age of earth. Hence option choice B fits the gap.

C. Whether there have been any changes in the atmosphere in the past century that have increased the radioactivity decay level of all gases?
<<<<<<<<<<I think option C is a trap, consider the situation , if radioactivity decay has increased but a formula can be devised to calculate the relation between earths age and increase in radioactivity.....>>>>>>

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The Official Answer for this question is Option C.

Dinesh2APR - You are right :)

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Premise :- Radon decays into Progney, by measuring the increase in progeny over last 200 years age of earth can be determined.

assumption :- the sample data is representative enough, means the average increase in progeny over its lifetime would be the same as the increase in past 200 years.

POE :-

A :- Different decay rate during day time/night time :- since we are concerned with the aggregate increase over the 200 year period this is not correct.
B :- Whether Progney is stable or converted into another gas @constant rate :- This option states that for both the extreme spectrums of a Yes/No answer, you will be able to determine the age of earth. If Progeny is stable then by directly measuring the increase in Progney or if it gets converted into another gas then by measuring the increase in another gas. The answer choice does not fluctuate to extreme`s and hence is not the correct answer.
C :- changes in atmosphere over last century :- A No answer to the question will state that the decay is constant and the 200 year sample is representative enough. A yes answer to the question will state that the 200 year sample is not representative enough, and hence is the correct option.
D :- other methods :- OFS
E :- Amount of progeny varies from region to region :- similar to option A, this option also segregates decay by region but our scope is for the entire earth`s atmosphere.

IMO :- C


HI Dinesh...
I have a doubt , when you say that Assumption is "Sample is representative i.e. it can be interpolated to get a correct idea of the earth's age"
I also thought of same assumption and selected B....Because i feel that B mentions two every important words that can bring contrast when answered Yes or No....
They are:-
1. Stable and 2. Constant rate...
If something does not changes at a constant rate how can you predict the age using the sample data...Another One is Stable, If its not stable than it is difficult to predict an accurate age of the substance.
I agree that Option C mentions something which is valid, but i feel that option B presents stronger reasoning than C.

Can you explain why did you not consider choosing B.

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Dinesh2Apr wrote:
Premise :- Radon decays into Progney, by measuring the increase in progeny over last 200 years age of earth can be determined.

assumption :- the sample data is representative enough, means the average increase in progeny over its lifetime would be the same as the increase in past 200 years.

POE :-

A :- Different decay rate during day time/night time :- since we are concerned with the aggregate increase over the 200 year period this is not correct.
B :- Whether Progney is stable or converted into another gas @constant rate :- This option states that for both the extreme spectrums of a Yes/No answer, you will be able to determine the age of earth. If Progeny is stable then by directly measuring the increase in Progney or if it gets converted into another gas then by measuring the increase in another gas. The answer choice does not fluctuate to extreme`s and hence is not the correct answer.
C :- changes in atmosphere over last century :- A No answer to the question will state that the decay is constant and the 200 year sample is representative enough. A yes answer to the question will state that the 200 year sample is not representative enough, and hence is the correct option.
D :- other methods :- OFS
E :- Amount of progeny varies from region to region :- similar to option A, this option also segregates decay by region but our scope is for the entire earth`s atmosphere.

IMO :- C


HI Dinesh...
I have a doubt , when you say that Assumption is "Sample is representative i.e. it can be interpolated to get a correct idea of the earth's age"
I also thought of same assumption and selected B....Because i feel that B mentions two every important words that can bring contrast when answered Yes or No....
They are:-
1. Stable and 2. Constant rate...
If something does not changes at a constant rate how can you predict the age using the sample data...Another One is Stable, If its not stable than it is difficult to predict an accurate age of the substance.
I agree that Option C mentions something which is valid, but i feel that option B presents stronger reasoning than C.

Can you explain why did you not consider choosing B.

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Hello Archit,

Below is my analysis of option B

Option B:- Whether Progeny is stable or gets converted into some other gas at constant rate.

This choice gives you 2 options for Progeny, for these answer choices the Yes/No will be choosing 1 option over other.

suboption B.1 :- Progeny is stable
Now if Progeny is stable, means Progeny will remain there and not vaporize or change into another form. So you can measure Progeny over the past 200 years and get to the conclusion. This option does not break the conclusion.

suboption B.2 :- Progeny gets converted into other gas at constant rate
In this option since the rate of conversion is constant, you can still devise a formula to reach the conclusion by measuring the amount of Progeny left(or by measuring the change in quantity of the other gas) and factoring for the constant of proportionality. This option also does not break the conclusion.

since neither of the options breaks your conclusion, option B is not the correct answer.

Had this option not included the 'constant rate', this option choice might have been a good contender.

Hope this helps !
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I have little different view
B1:- Progeny is stable
Consider :- Progeny is unstable
That means its not possible to derive the age of the earth.
Consider:- Progeny is unstable
That means its possible to derive the age of earth.
We are getting two polar opposite answer.

Now,
B2 :- Rate of conversion is constant
Consider:- Rate of conversion is not constant
Hence its not possible to derive a formula for interpolation.
Consider:- Rate of conversion is constant
Hence its possible to derive a formula for interpolation.
So if you go by your break up we will get two polar opposite answers.

Even if we take them together

But yes agree to a point the analysis of this one is bit complicated and rather option C is simple, hence can be considered a better answer.
But if go by logic i think both equally hold good chance.

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Hi Guys,

The official solution with explanation has been posted. Check it out. Apologies for the delays.

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Hi Guys,

The official solution with explanation has been posted. Check it out. Apologies for the delays.

Thanks,
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hi Chiranjeev
I think this is an official example from gmac......can you pls post the link to official question...just want to compare......

thanks in advance\\

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egmat wrote:
Hi Guys,

The official solution with explanation has been posted. Check it out. Apologies for the delays.

Thanks,
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hi Chiranjeev
I think this is an official example from gmac......can you pls post the link to official question...just want to compare......

thanks in advance\\

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Hi Archit,

This is not an official question from GMAC. This one is from the e-GMAT kitchen. All questions posted by us here are created just for the forum. They are not even a part of the course.
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Archit143 wrote:
egmat wrote:
Hi Guys,

The official solution with explanation has been posted. Check it out. Apologies for the delays.

Thanks,
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hi Chiranjeev
I think this is an official example from gmac......can you pls post the link to official question...just want to compare......

thanks in advance\\

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Hi Archit,

This is not an official question from GMAC. This one is from the e-GMAT kitchen. All questions posted by us here are created just for the forum. They are not even a part of the course.
Thanks,
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hi chiranjeev

With all regards to you, I have seen a similar question in an official source......i ll have to look for it exhaustively...but i m 100 % sure that i have seen one...no issues once i find i ll post...
by the way good work chiranjeev..Many claimed experts crumbling.....hahah. its 2 down ..lets see who is the next.

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Scientists have determined that Radon - a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas - is unstable because of its radioactive nature and continuously decays into Progeny. Since it has been proven that there was no Progeny at the time of earth’s formation, one can accurately estimate earth’s age by determining the increase in Progeny in earth’s atmosphere over the last 200 years and using it to determine how many years it would have taken to reach current levels of Progeny.

The answer to which of the following questions would be most important in determining whether using the method would help in achieving the stated objective?

A. Whether the rate of decay of Radon into Progeny is different during day time and night time?
B. Whether Progeny is stable or gets converted into some other gas at constant rate?
C. Whether there have been any changes in the atmosphere in the past century that have increased the radioactivity decay level of all gases? - As highlighted in the argument, the fact that the test would study the change in atmosphere over the past 200 years makes this the correct ans.
D. Whether there are methods, better than the method given, to estimate the earth’s age?
E. Whether amount of Radon or Progeny varies from region to region?
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Another question for you AndrewN

How can we know in C that all gases will decay into progeny. If we don't know this the explanation offered by egmat falls apart because we can no longer say whether there is an increase in progeny gases.

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