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E uses correct idiom 'more ..than' and doesn't have 'rates of ..'

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Some psychiatric studies indicate that among distinguished artists the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in the population at large.
(A) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in
(B) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent than in
(C) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent when compared to
(D) manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent when compared to
(E) manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent than in
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1. 'the rates' cannot be 'prevalent'. D and E remain.
2. 'more prevalent than' is correct
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Among distinguished artists needs to modify the disease not rates – eliminate A, B and C
(A) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in
(B) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent than in
(C) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent when compared to
(D) manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent when compared to [As requires clause – eliminate it]
(E) manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent than in [Hold it]

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E for me as well but wasn't clear as to why B was wrong. Thanks Walker for explanation!
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(B) the rates ... are ... more prevalent than ...

rates cannot be more prevalent. It is a logic mistake, not a grammatical one.
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ajit257 wrote:
. Some psychiatric studies indicate that among distin-
guished artists the rates of manic depression and major
depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in

the population at large.

(A) the rates of manic depression and major depres-
sion are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in
(B) the rates of manic depression and major depres-
sion are ten to thirteen times more prevalent
than in
(C) the rates of manic depression and major depres-
sion are ten to thirteen times more prevalent
when compared to
(D) manic depression and major depression are ten to
thirteen times as prevalent when compared to
(E) manic depression and major depression are ten
to thirteen times more prevalent than in


Hi!

Scanning the choices, we see our first big split right at the start - the most common place for splits. Here we have a 3-2 split between ABC and DE.

A, B and C all refer to "the rates of manic depression and major depression", whereas D and E simply refer to the depressions themselves. Is it proper to say that a rate is "more prevalent" than another rate? No, that makes no sense. A rate can be greater than another rate, or a phenomenon can be more prevalent than another phenomenon. Accordingly, we eliminate A, B and C.

Scanning D and E, we see different idiomatic phrases at the end (another very common place for splits). D has "as prevalent when..." - we know that "as" should followed by another "as", so D is out. A quick check of E reveals "more prevalent than", right on the money.

Choose E!
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Some psychiatric studies indicate that among distinguished artists the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in the population at large.

(A) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent as in - a rate can't be "prevalent"; a phenomenon, such as manic depression, can.
(B) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent than in - same as A
(C) the rates of manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent when compared to- same as A
(D) manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times as prevalent when compared to - idiom error - As X as is needed
(E) manic depression and major depression are ten to thirteen times more prevalent than in - Correct

Answer E

Both of the below are correct
Illiteracy is prevalent
The rate of illiteracy is high

Quant Digression -
"10 to 13 times AS prevalent" is NOT the same as "10 to 13 times MORE prevalent".
in particular, 13 times AS prevalent would be 12 times MORE prevalent; 13 times MORE prevalent, by contrast, would be 14 times AS prevalent. the same sort of thing holds for the smaller figure, too.
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Can you post your explanation here?

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daagh GMATNinja..

Can you post your explanation here?

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Our first decision point is between (A), (B), and (C) -- all of which describe the "rates" as prevalent -- and (D) and (E), which describe "manic depression and major depression" as prevalent. It doesn't make any sense to write that a "rate" is prevalent in a population -- there are no statistics regarding how common rates are! Rather, a disease can be prevalent. We can ditch (A), (B), and (C).

Next, in (D), we have the construction "as prevalent when..." It should be "as prevalent as." (Even if you don't recognize the idiom, the construction "as prevalent when" makes no logical sense.)

That leaves us with (E), which is the answer.

I hope that helps!
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saurabh9gupta wrote:
daagh GMATNinja..

Can you post your explanation here?

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Our first decision point is between (A), (B), and (C) -- all of which describe the "rates" as prevalent -- and (D) and (E), which describe "manic depression and major depression" as prevalent. It doesn't make any sense to write that a "rate" is prevalent in a population -- there are no statistics regarding how common rates are! Rather, a disease can be prevalent. We can ditch (A), (B), and (C).

Next, in (D), we have the construction "as prevalent when..." It should be "as prevalent as." (Even if you don't recognize the idiom, the construction "as prevalent when" makes no logical sense.)

That leaves us with (E), which is the answer.

I hope that helps!


Just a doubt. What is more preferable in GMAT- 10 to 13 times more prevalent or 10 to 13times as prevalent as? Suppose in A if we won't have the rates, would that make it a better option??
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Doesn't times require the usage of as_ as _ idiom.
It is mentioned in gmatclub's study tips on comparison segment.

Is it not an essential definite error ?
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Doesn't times require the usage of as_ as _ idiom.
It is mentioned in gmatclub's study tips on comparison segment.

Is it not an essential definite error ?



I don't think so. there are as_xx_as phrases without times as well.
e.g. : as hard as possible
as far as you can
as long as it can be stretched
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GMATNinja wrote:
saurabh9gupta wrote:
daagh GMATNinja..

Can you post your explanation here?

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Our first decision point is between (A), (B), and (C) -- all of which describe the "rates" as prevalent -- and (D) and (E), which describe "manic depression and major depression" as prevalent. It doesn't make any sense to write that a "rate" is prevalent in a population -- there are no statistics regarding how common rates are! Rather, a disease can be prevalent. We can ditch (A), (B), and (C).

Next, in (D), we have the construction "as prevalent when..." It should be "as prevalent as." (Even if you don't recognize the idiom, the construction "as prevalent when" makes no logical sense.)

That leaves us with (E), which is the answer.

I hope that helps!


Just a doubt. What is more preferable in GMAT- 10 to 13 times more prevalent or 10 to 13times as prevalent as? Suppose in A if we won't have the rates, would that make it a better option??

I wouldn't worry too much about the distinction between these two phrasings, and I don't think there's any real reason to prefer one over the other. That's exactly why the question includes the logical error involving rates: the difference between "X times more prevalent" and "X times as prevalent as" doesn't really matter.

The takeaway: anytime you encounter two constructions that both seem clear and logical, see if you can find other issues to focus on.

I hope that helps a bit!
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Hi,

according the the Manhattan SC guide, if one shall use ' x times as...as' when relating quantities by multiplication:

Right: I am five times as old as my son
Wrong: I am five times older than my son

Also according to MSC guide, one shall use 'x times more than / less than' when referring to addition / substraction:

I am ten years older than you.

When I look at option (E), it uses 'ten times more prevelant than', meaning 10x more than something else. But this is clearly the first case I quoted from the MSC guide. Should 'ten times as prevelant as in...' be used here?

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Hi,

according the the Manhattan SC guide, if one shall use ' x times as...as' when relating quantities by multiplication:

Right: I am five times as old as my son
Wrong: I am five times older than my son

Also according to MSC guide, one shall use 'x times more than / less than' when referring to addition / substraction:

I am ten years older than you.

When I look at option (E), it uses 'ten times more prevelant than', meaning 10x more than something else. But this is clearly the first case I quoted from the MSC guide. Should 'ten times as prevelant as in...' be used here?

Thanks

Consider an example. Imagine that Tim is 50 and his son is 10. It makes sense to say that Tim is five times as old as his son, since 10 * 5 = 50.

Could you argue that because 50 is 400% greater than 10, you can also write, "Tim is four times older than his son?" I don't love the way it hits my ear, but I'm hesitant to say it's wrong.

The same thing would apply to prevalence. If something occurs in 10% of the population, it's ten times as prevalent as something that occurs in 1% of the population.

But if something occurs in 11% of the population, it's ten times more prevalent than something that occurs in 1% of the population.

In other words, I'd be careful about making any generalizations here. If you see two constructions making a comparison and one is less clear than the other, well, that's one thing. But if both seem pretty clear, and they just happen to be communicating slightly different bits of info, I'd avoid using it as a decision point.

I hope that helps!
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Comparisons and Idioms,
Rates or Price, are either higher or lower.

That's Probably why B is wrong

E might Stick.
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as is used to compare clauses D is out
A B C are out because rates are not prevalent
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