Best MBA application tips?

Paret asked me to post this in this thread as well, hopefully you will all find this useful..



you are welcome..remember try to find examples of leadership ..you still have time to ..so go do something about it!

First tip, you dont have to apply r1 and compromise on the quality of your application, remember saying you are leader isnt going to cut it, you need to give examples. Dont hesitate to reach out to the CEO and get him to notice you and hopefully come R2 he will write your LOR.

Second tip, make sure your essays are not boring, dont appear monotone; make em exciting and lively. Key to any good essay is that the first line is catchy ..and as I read it I get more involved and i want to get to the end of it!

Third tip, contrary to popular belief you dont need to get a letter from the manager who has known you since child birth..the big names matter PERIOD! if some guy happens to advice the President of the USA, his letter/phone call will get the Deans of these schools scrambling to get you!

Fourth tip, HBS really doenst give much weight to GMAT, they care more about GPA, they are willing to overlook a subpar gmat score if your GPA is solid..i got this from own experience, I asked the adcom during my interview, why she hadn't asked about my sub-rockstar gmat score and she plainly said, we care more about your UG/Grad GPA. So if you went to a decent academic UG school, your GPA will carry you!

Fifth tip, please prepare for the B-school interview! I realize it was a bad idea for me to stop my kellogg interviewer halfway in the interview and tell her she is wasting her time asking me mundane questions that really are not very important to my profile.. I will say spend $$$ and call HBSguru, his coaching helped me stay to the point, not go into story telling and yet be very high-level, details are boring and only you like em cause you went thru em...unless of course you are talking about your experience being shot at by the taliban in the swat valley while you were trying to protect kids in the school you had helped build (true story by the way)!

lots of folks have PMed asking about what I did to get accepted in R3..

here is something i wrote on another thread but pretty much here it is..

you are welcome..remember try to find examples of leadership ..you still have time to ..so go do something about it!

First tip, you dont have to apply r1 and compromise on the quality of your application, remember saying you are leader isnt going to cut it, you need to give examples. Dont hesitate to reach out to the CEO and get him to notice you and hopefully come R2 he will write your LOR.

Second tip, make sure your essays are not boring, dont appear monotone; make em exciting and lively. Key to any good essay is that the first line is catchy ..and as I read it I get more involved and i want to get to the end of it!

Third tip, contrary to popular belief you dont need to get a letter from the manager who has known you since child birth..the big names matter PERIOD! if some guy happens to advice the President of the USA, his letter/phone call will get the Deans of these schools scrambling to get you!

Fourth tip, HBS really doenst give much weight to GMAT, they care more about GPA, they are willing to overlook a subpar gmat score if your GPA is solid..i got this from own experience, I asked the adcom during my interview, why she hadn't asked about my sub-rockstar gmat score and she plainly said, we care more about your UG/Grad GPA. So if you went to a decent academic UG school, your GPA will carry you!

Fifth tip, please prepare for the B-school interview! I realize it was a bad idea for me to stop my kellogg interviewer halfway in the interview and tell her she is wasting her time asking me mundane questions that really are not very important to my profile.. I will say spend $$$ and call HBSguru, his coaching helped me stay to the point, not go into story telling and yet be very high-level, details are boring and only you like em cause you went thru em...unless of course you are talking about your experience being shot at by the taliban in the swat valley while you were trying to protect kids in the school you had helped build (true story by the way)!

you could get a LOR from your mom and get into HBS..if you happen to work for your mother! My perspective is from my own experience, I applied R3..and I got into both Wharton and HBS, I dont need to call my friends from MCK or BCG, whats the point? I am telling you stuff that worked for me!


I applied R2 to NYU and Kellogg and had my director (mr.nobody) write my LOR..and result I got dinged! I reached out to my CEO ( I have worked with him on a few occasions) and he gladly agreed to write my LOR. You do your part in providing him enough material to author a well rounded document! dont expect him to have the time to remember the time you worked 36 hours straight to get something done, he just remembers the results..so its your job to remind him that you worked your butt off..and the details behind the scene

Moral of the story..Title matters, prestige matters, pedigree matters..

The best recommender is the one who is well known, who is willing to take pointers from you on areas you want to stress in your profile and above all is willing to make a phone call to the Dean of the school on your behalf.


B-school admissions are not whole lot different from how corporate america works...if you were ever in sales, remember relationships are critical to sealing the deal and you have to take the same approach with your applications. Your application is like your sales pitch ,you bring in the top guns from your company to impress the client, your CEO goes golfing with the Client, you bring referrals and you run a very pointed image/branding campaign

I will very strongly recommend everyone to really prep for an interview, be it with a consultant. its the most overlooked part in the admissions process. interview on campus with adcom if possible, try to build a repo with the adcom team when you visit the campus..small stuff like this matters!

Get recommendations from supervisors who you worked the most closely with. The title doesn't really matter - don't reach out to your CEO just because he/she is the CEO. If you know the CEO really well and have worked closely with him/her, then by all means go ahead.

Moral of the story: FN's strategy worked for him (apparently) but I can almost guarantee that it will backfire for the "traditional" applicant, which many of us are. Title doesn't matter - just ask people who you believe will write you a good recommendation letter.

To echo what others have said, getting recommended by a prestigious person is not the golden ticket. I had the dean of a top business school (who knows me very well and I actually did work with him pretty closely before he became dean) recommend me to HBS and I got denied. Without interview. Twice.

So of course, use whatever tools are at your disposal to present yourself as best you can, but don't think that if you can't get a well-known impressive person to recommend you that you won't get in, or vise versa.

Couple of pointers from a different angle:

If you are an international applicant:

1) Be aware about the student and post-study work visa formalities of the country that you are applying to. ESPECIALLY the student visa.
2) Be aware about funding options - a lot of internationals had to decline their seats this year as citi bank had to withdraw their loan.

If you have a family:

1) Start the process early enough so that you can spend time with your family. Trust me - you would need that to recharge in between apps.

Funny story related to the above advice - My 2 year old literally pushed me out of bed the first day after all my apps were submitted as he thought daddy coming to bed early meant that mommy is not going read him his bedtime story.

Tips for scheduling interviews:

1) Make sure that there are atleast a couple of weeks in between the interview date and the deadline. That would help if you need to cancel the interview due to unexpected developments.

I think it's very important in the career progress/goals/why MBA essay to draw clear links between those sections so your career arc (pre-MBA -> MBA -> post-MBA) reads like a seamless story. So in the 'why our school' portion, my key message was to describe how my 2 years at School X will build on my current experience and prepare me for my post-MBA career. Essentially the essay as a whole said that my career to date has gotten me to point Y, I want my career to be at point Z, the best way to get from Y to Z is with an MBA from your school.

Of course, implicit in all the talk of 'why our school' is the key message of: "I've done a lot of research about your program, I understand what makes it unique and I would be a valuable addition to the class."

So out of curiosity, as many of you have been through this process now, what are your top resume tips for new applicants? I figured I'd ask since most applications require a resume.

Some suggestions from previous threads:
- keep the font size larger than 10
- don't use passive voice
- each bullet point should be results-oriented, and show what you did to help achieve that result

What other pointers do you have?

I did the same. I also left out a couple of college internships, to give myself more space to talk about my full time job.

I also made sure that the dates on my resume matched up with any mentioned in my essays. for instance, if in the essays I said that I worked at place x in April, I checked to see it said April in the resume as well.

If you are writing a resume for MBA recruiting (i.e. you're in b-school and you're looking for a job/intern), then I think Education before Work Experience makes sense.

If you are writing a resume for MBA admissions (i.e. you're an applicant), I think Work Experience should be placed before Education.

My tips for resumes are (although I have not applied them to my most current resume):
- Spend more bullet points on your recent achievements.
- Make sure your resume is well rounded, e.g. is there an example of teamwork, leadership, etc.?

Just wanted to add a useful tip coming from a software developer...

I am putting all my app materials in the cloud, so I can work from multiple computers and make changes whenever I am near an Internet connection.

I am currently using Google Docs to store my spreadsheet of dates and deadlines and my master list of accomplishments and general key themes, and use Dropbox to store my scanned transcripts, resume, and essays. Dropbox is nice because it automatically stores revision history, so I can easily roll back to old versions of any document.

My best advice has been mentioned several times and is super-common, but it's hard to remeber sometimes: BE YOURSELF. Be honest. I am a totally a-typical applicant and I felt enormous pressure to try and seem like a "business school student." But that means nothing. Who know what a "business school student" should be? Thankfully, my rebellious inner teenager usually took over and gave me an outward attitude of "This is who I am, if you don't like me I don't care." (Although I resisted the urge to dye my hair blue.... this time....) That kept me true to myself. If I had gotten accepted somewhere based on false pretense, chances are I wouldn't be happy there anyhow.

My second best advice came from one of my essay editors: she pointed out that I was undermining my accomplishments with my hesitation to sound conceited. I tend to be pretty self-depricating, and it was coming through in my essays. NOT a good time for it! Don't be afraid to talk about how awesome you are. And extend that confidence into your interviews. (Although there is, of course, a limit to this, and humility is important too!)

First, def agree with using SOs to review. I got a lot of, "wow, this is so great" where other people tore apart the same content.

I found it was helpful to use two groups of people. First, I'd use parents, close friends and coworkers. That really got me to relax and find the right voice to write in. I sounded like a robot in my early drafts as I tried to make every sentence perfect and complex.

The second group, which I used as a check at the end, was made up of people who don't know my story. Think of the adcom member who is going to read your essays. They have no idea who you are. I'm not saying that you should walk up to random people on the street yelling, "Read about my career goals!" Just find someone who won't be able to use outside information to fill in possible holes. For example, you may have missed explaining something in an essay but told your mom/dad/friend the missing piece over dinner two months ago. So, they may not pick up on it. It's also important that this person is outside your industry (obvi if they do what you do, they will be able to fill in holes). A good gauge to use is to ask yourself, "is it awkward to ask this person." If the answer is yes, than that person is prob a good fit. Think sibling's friend, friends coworker that you've met once, etc.

I can't comment from an admissions or HR POV, but I can tell you that when we get candidates for analyst or director positions, their "objectives" usually don't help them at all, but that's because their delivery is usually bottom-of-the-barrel, not a matter of principle regarding "objectives".

Like all things, it's about coherence and pitch. A bland "objectives" statement that is full of meaningless, verbose platitudes with suspicious diction such as "I crave the opportunity to utilize all my skills and experiences in your esteemed and dynamic organization, where I believe I can contribute my proven people skills, leadership, entrepreneurship, responsibility, diligence, professionalism, enthusiasm, quantitative abilities, presentation skills, and other"... is going straight to the recycling bin. Believe me, I see that kind of sh!t more often than is mentally healthy.

I know that when I applied for one of my first successful internships, my objectives were directly focused on the actual firm and position: "I am seeking an entry-level position in Western Europe involving the gathering of intelligence in multiple languages... etc etc etc". It probably helped, because the MD who called me and interviewed me over the phone made a reference to my goals ("I see that you're interested in intelligence and investigations").

The goals have to make sense. I interviewed a poor kid who told me that "if I can't get work-study with you, I think I'll enroll in Sandhurst", as if the two were commonly interchangeable. That told me that he had no clue what we did, didn't do his homework, and that he himself had no clue what he wanted.

I guess I've never seen an "objectives" statement that left me indifferent, or had no bearing on my view of an applicant. So if you're going to put it in, it'll help you a lot, or doom you. The candidates I liked the most didn't include one, and kept their CVs capped at two pages, with lots of relevant details.

I have two application tips which I doubt anyone else would say:

1. Don't think the current step is the hardest, the next one is harder. I thought my GMAT class was hard, then studying was worse, then the test day itself was terrible to anticipate. After that, picking a school to send scores to, actually applying to schools, telling your boss you need a reference because "you think you might like to go to B-School" in the fall was worse. The post-application process of interviews, letters of decline, and acceptance letters was even more difficult, then choosing among the schools that accepted you was ever harder then all that. And it doesn't get easier when you finally have registered and decided on a school - quitting your job, the months between giving notice and your actual end-date are awkward, finding an apartment, moving, finding loans, applying for scholarships, saying goodbye to life pre-MBA... I'm waiting for classes to start on September 7 so I can finally take a breather (lord knows it's probably even harder)!

2. Don't get psyched by the prodigies on this board. I found this board while preparing for my GMAT exam, and there is a wealth of info, but take it with a grain of salt. In every aspect of life, there are worry-warts who are over-concerned with their future. If they don't get into Harvard, Stanford, or Oxford, life is over! In life, when you hear it, it's ephemeral and easy to ignore, but seeing it in writing weighs on you more and you begin to wonder if your choice of b-school or where you actually end up is worth all the work, or if your behind the game because your applying to the same schools and not doing as much preparatory work. When reading about all-stars who are preparing for the GMAT two years in advance, only applying to LBS, Wharton, HBS, and Stanford, and taking classes they will be taking during their MBA before they actually go to b-school, you can't let it phase you. My GMAT instructor said this on our first day: "To get accepted to undergrad university, you had to be an elite high school student and to graduate from that you had to be an elite university pupil. Now that you're taking the GMAT and applying for b-school, you are the cream of the crop in the workforce. But the rest of the people are also the cream of the crop, so don't get a big head but don't lose confidence in yourself either." Remember that - you're doing great, and some people just like to prepare and plan WAY more than you.

Fill in the online application section well in advance. It's a good idea to actually start this part, before you even start the essays. If you leave it to the last moment, you are in for a lot of trouble - especially if you have held a few jobs, need to work on your resume, have a lot of extracurriculars etc. Kellogg is one of the few schools that actually splits the application into two, so that you are forced to do this. It really helps not having to scramble and fill in all those fields on the online apps. at the last moment.

It is also a good idea to decide on your recommenders well in advance and send out the requests to them at the latest, by the beginning of the round that you are planning to apply in (or even in advance of that, as I'd suggested earlier). Put in a deadline of at least two weeks before the submission date for your recommenders to complete their work. This will save a lot of heartburn for you and a lot of frantic last minute nagging for them.

There's tons of great application advice on this thread. I will add a tip that is meant for folks who are still twelve months or more from applying. This tip was inspired by a conversation I had with a former admissions board member from Harvard Business School. He told me that a successful application to a highly competitive MBA school didn’t start a few months before the application deadline; it really started a few years before the deadline.

His point was that by the time the application deadline was in sight, everything was pretty much a given – the candidate’s academic record, GMAT score, resume, and even the experiences they’d eventually write about in the essays. His tip was to start building the foundation for a great application long before it’s time to sit down and put pen to paper or fingers to keyboard to start writing it. With enough lead time you can take action to counterbalance flaws, such as a low GPA, and to strengthen your story by doing things like getting involved with a cause you care about and making an impact. If you don't follow this advice, then you can still get into a competitive school but that assumes that you've managed to make all the right moves naturally. That's really hard to do.

In summary, think about your candidacy holistically well in advance of applying and build a plan about ways you can make it stronger in the years and months before you apply. If you have any specific questions about how you can do so post them on the Ask MBA Prep School thread on this site: https://gmatclub.com/forum/ask-mba-prep-school-103129.html#p802605