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Third problem:

There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. If the sum of the two cards was 8, what is the probability that one of the cards drawn was a 5?
* 1
* 2/3
* 1/2
* 2/5
* 1/3

In this case we know that drawing has already happened and the sum of two cards was 8.

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8?
(first card, second card)
(6,2) (2,6) (5,3) (3,5) (44) – only 5 possible ways sum to be 8. One from this 5 has already happened.

From this five, only in two we have 5. So, the probability is 2 chances out of 5 that the one that occurred had 5=2/5.

Answer: D (2/5)

If the problem were: There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. What is the probability that one of the cards drawn would be 5 and the sum of two cards would be 8?

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8 AND one of them to be 5?
(5,3) (3,5) – two favorable outcomes.

Total number of outcomes=6*6=36.
P(one card 5, sum 8)=2/36=1/18
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Answer to the first question -

0.3*0.3*0.7 is equivalent to saying the the first person picks candy and second person picks candy and third person doesn't pick candy.

however this is a different case compared to
0.3*0.7*0.3 is equivalent to saying the the first person picks candy and second person doesn't pick candy and third person picks candy.

which in turn is a fifferent case compared to
0.7*0.3*0.3 (I'll skip the verbose comments)

Hence the answer is 3*(0.3*0.3*0.7)=0.189

Answer to the second question -

Probability of picking a sibling from the junior class is 60/1000
and Probability of picking the corresponding sibling from the senior class is 1/800.
However in this case if we flip the case we still end up with the same sibling pair since the order is not important. Hence we don't multiply by 2
Answer is 3/40,000.

Answer to the third question -
We just list the various cases where the sum will be 8

6 2
2 6
5 3
3 5
4 4

Total = 5
5 occurs in 2 cases.
hence prob is 2/5.
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Problem 1:
As there are three visitors, scenarios can be as below
YYN,YNY,NYY(Y=buy, N=didn't buy)
so Probability= (3/10*3/10*7/10)+(3/10*7/10*3/10)+(7/10*3/10*3/10) = 0.189

Problem 2:
Probability of selecting 1 sibling pair= (60/1000*60/800*1/60*1/60)= 1/800000
This can happen 60 times so probability= (1/800000)*60= 3/40000

Problem 3:
possible pairs are (2,6),(3,5),(4,4),(5,3),(6,2) so total 5 possibilities
two pairs are having 5
so probability = 2/5
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Bunuel,
Excellent explanations. I really loved the way you explain with examples.
I am really glad that i started using gmatclub.. Thanks!


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Thanks for the question and explanations.

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There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. What is the probability that one of the cards drawn would be 5 and the sum of two cards would be 8?

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8 AND one of them to be 5?
(5,3) (3,5) – two favorable outcomes.

Total number of outcomes=6*6=36.
P(one card 5, sum 8)=2/36=1/18

Can you please explain why number of outcomes will be 36?
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This interpretation is wrong. Probability = Favourables / Total. But this question total is constrained if you read it carefully - "the sum of two cards would be 8". Total is not the absolute ways in which you will pick the cards i.e. 6 * 6 = 36 absolute ways. Total ways to get a sum of 8 using two cards is 5. And that's why the ultimate probability is 2/5

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There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. What is the probability that one of the cards drawn would be 5 and the sum of two cards would be 8?

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8 AND one of them to be 5?
(5,3) (3,5) – two favorable outcomes.

Total number of outcomes=6*6=36.
P(one card 5, sum 8)=2/36=1/18

Can you please explain why number of outcomes will be 36?
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Regarding the below listed explanation from funnel -


A certain junior class has 1000 students and a certain senior class has 800 students. Among these students, there are 60 sibling pairs, each consisting of 1 junior and 1 senior. If 1 student is to be selected at random from each class, what is the probability that the 2 students selected will be a sibling pair?
A: 3/40000
B: 1/3600
C: 9/2000
D: 3/20000
E: 1/15

This one is different: there are 60 siblings in junior class and 60 their pair siblings in the senior class. We want to determine probability of choosing one sibling from junior class and its pair from senior.

What is the probability of choosing ANY sibling from junior class? 60/1000 (as there are 60 of them).

What is the probability of choosing PAIR OF CHOSEN SIBLING in senior class? As in senior class there is only one pair of chosen sibling it would be 1/800 (as there is only one sibling pair of chosen one).

So the probability of that the 2 students selected will be a sibling pair is: 60/1000*1/800=3/4000

I see no argument of multiplying this by two.

Answer: A.

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I have a question regarding this one -

So basically you are considering the case when the first sibling selected is from the junior class and the second sibling is from the senior class.....but why does it have to be only in that order.....why would you not consider the case when first sibling is from senior class and the second is from the junior class?

Please explain your logic for considering that case?
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1. (0.3)(0.3)(0.7) x 4C3 = 0.189
2. 60/1000 x 1/800 = 3/20000
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Third problem:

There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. If the sum of the two cards was 8, what is the probability that one of the cards drawn was a 5?
* 1
* 2/3
* 1/2
* 2/5
* 1/3

In this case we know that drawing has already happened and the sum of two cards was 8.

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8?
(first card, second card)
(6,2) (2,6) (5,3) (3,5) (44) – only 5 possible ways sum to be 8. One from this 5 has already happened.

From this five, only in two we have 5. So, the probability is 2 chances out of 5 that the one that occurred had 5=2/5.

Answer: D (2/5)

If the problem were: There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. What is the probability that one of the cards drawn would be 5 and the sum of two cards would be 8?

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8 AND one of them to be 5?
(5,3) (3,5) – two favorable outcomes.

Total number of outcomes=6*6=36.
P(one card 5, sum 8)=2/36=1/18


Hi Bunuel,

Thanks for the great explanations. I'm stuck on #3 -- first two worked out great.

-In the scenario where we get 2/5, why isn't it 2/10 because isn't the favorable outcome(2) and the total outcomes is the total number of cards, which is 10? therefore 2/10?

-Can you please talk about the second scenario a little bit. I'm not catching the nuance that makes you multiply 6*6? Why wouldn't it be 6!?
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Bunuel wrote:
Third problem:

There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. If the sum of the two cards was 8, what is the probability that one of the cards drawn was a 5?
* 1
* 2/3
* 1/2
* 2/5
* 1/3

In this case we know that drawing has already happened and the sum of two cards was 8.

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8?
(first card, second card)
(6,2) (2,6) (5,3) (3,5) (44) – only 5 possible ways sum to be 8. One from this 5 has already happened.

From this five, only in two we have 5. So, the probability is 2 chances out of 5 that the one that occurred had 5=2/5.

Answer: D (2/5)

If the problem were: There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6. They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back. Then another card is drawn and put back. What is the probability that one of the cards drawn would be 5 and the sum of two cards would be 8?

What combinations of two cards are possible to total 8 AND one of them to be 5?
(5,3) (3,5) – two favorable outcomes.

Total number of outcomes=6*6=36.
P(one card 5, sum 8)=2/36=1/18


Hi Bunuel,

Thanks for the great explanations. I'm stuck on #3 -- first two worked out great.

-In the scenario where we get 2/5, why isn't it 2/10 because isn't the favorable outcome(2) and the total outcomes is the total number of cards, which is 10? therefore 2/10?

-Can you please talk about the second scenario a little bit. I'm not catching the nuance that makes you multiply 6*6? Why wouldn't it be 6!?


The number of total outcomes is 5, not 10: (6,2) (2,6) (5,3) (3,5) (4, 4). Only 5 possible ways sum to be 8.

So, the probability that one of the cards drawn was a 5 is 2/5.

As for your second question: 6 options for the first card and 6 options for the second card, thus total 6*6=35 options.
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Let’s move to the second problem:

A certain junior class has 1000 students and a certain senior class has 800 students. Among these students, there are 60 sibling pairs, each consisting of 1 junior and 1 senior. If 1 student is to be selected at random from each class, what is the probability that the 2 students selected will be a sibling pair?
A: 3/40000
B: 1/3600
C: 9/2000
D: 3/20000
E: 1/15

This one is different: there are 60 siblings in junior class and 60 their pair siblings in the senior class. We want to determine probability of choosing one sibling from junior class and its pair from senior.

What is the probability of choosing ANY sibling from junior class? 60/1000 (as there are 60 of them).

What is the probability of choosing PAIR OF CHOSEN SIBLING in senior class? As in senior class there is only one pair of chosen sibling it would be 1/800 (as there is only one sibling pair of chosen one).

So the probability of that the 2 students selected will be a sibling pair is: 60/1000*1/800=3/4000

I see no argument of multiplying this by two.

Answer: A.

This problem can be solved in another way and maybe this way shows that no need of multiplication:

In how many ways we can choose 1 person from 1000=1C1000=1000
In how many ways we can choose 1 person from 800=1C800=800
So total # of ways of choosing 1 from 1000 and 1 from 800=1C1000*1C800=1000*800 --> this is our total # of outcomes.

Let’s count favorable outcomes: 1 from 60=60C1=60
The pair of the one chosen=1C1=1
So total favorable outcomes=60C1*1C1=60

Probability=Favorable outcomes/Total # of outcomes=60/(1000*800)=3/4000

Let’s consider another example:
A certain junior class has 1000 students and a certain senior class has 800 students. Among these students, there are 60 siblings of four children, each consisting of 2 junior and 2 senior (I’m not sure whether it’s clear, I mean there are 60 brother and sister groups, total 60*4=240, two of each group is in the junior class and two in the senior). If 1 student is to be selected at random from each class, what is the probability that the 2 students selected will be a sibling pair?

The same way here:

What is the probability of choosing ANY sibling from junior class? 120/1000 (as there are 120 of them).
What is the probability of choosing PAIR OF CHOSEN SIBLING in senior class? As in senior class there is only two pair of chosen sibling it would be 2/800 (as there is only one sibling pair of chosen one).

So the probability of that the 2 students selected will be a sibling pair is: 120/1000*2/800=3/10000

Another way:
In how many ways we can choose 1 person from 1000=1C1000=1000
In how many ways we can choose 1 person from 800=1C800=800
So total # of ways of choosing 1 from 1000 and 1 from 800=1C1000*1C800=1000*800 --> this is our total # of outcomes.

Favorable outcomes:
1 from 120=120C1=120
The pair of the one chosen=1C2=2
So total favorable outcomes=120C1*1C2=240

Probability=Favorable outcomes/Total # of outcomes=240/(1000*800)=3/10000


I understand your explanation but have a doubt. This is for the second question.
After 60/1000 * 1/800 = 3/40000. But shouldn't we add 59 to it, to include the different ways of choosing the first sibling pair? I don't think I am clear on when to count these different ways and when not to. For e.g., when we count the number of shoppers in the first question, we count the different arrangements of shoppers, then why shouldn't the different sibling pairs be counted here?
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I still have some question over the 3rd problem:

1. "There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6" => so the case of (4,4) cannot happen. Am I right?

2. I solved this problem with the reasoning that:
- Probability of picking the 1st card: 2/4 (since there are 4 cards that can constitute to the sum of 8: 2, 6, 3, 5 and only 3,5 can be chose)
- Probability of picking 2nd card (after put the 1st card back): 1/4
So the probability of "one of the cards drawn was a 5, if the sum of the two cards was 8" is: 2/4 * 1/4 = 1/8

Can you clarify what is wrong with my solution?
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Bunuel :
I still have some question over the 3rd problem:

1. "There are 6 cards numbered from 1 to 6" => so the case of (4,4) cannot happen. Am I right?

2. I solved this problem with the reasoning that:
- Probability of picking the 1st card: 2/4 (since there are 4 cards that can constitute to the sum of 8: 2, 6, 3, 5 and only 3,5 can be chose)
- Probability of picking 2nd card (after put the 1st card back): 1/4
So the probability of "one of the cards drawn was a 5, if the sum of the two cards was 8" is: 2/4 * 1/4 = 1/8

Can you clarify what is wrong with my solution?


No, (4, 4) is possible because we are told that They are placed into a box, and then one is drawn and put back.
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