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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink]
clean E here.
b < 0 but a can be < > 0
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink]
|a| + |b| > |a+b|?

if a and b are of same sign then LHS = RHS. Hence No.
if a and b are of opposite sign then LHS > RHS . Then Yes.

1. Not sufficient

|a|>|b|

we cannot say anything about the sign of a and b.

2. Not sufficient

b<0, but we dont know the sign of a.

together,
|a|>|b| and b<0 => a can be positive or negative
Hence not sufficient.

Answer is E.
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink]
|a| + |b| > |a + b|

the expression will be true if "a,b have opposite signs e.g. a<0, b>0 etc"

st1) insufficient. a or b could have same or different sign
st2) this proves that b<0. but it is also possible that a<0. so, insufficient.

E is the ans
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Re: Absolute value Problems [#permalink]
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?
(1) Both positive |5| + |5| > |5 + 5| NO!
(2) Both negative |-5| + |-5| > |-10| NO!
(3) Oppositve signs |5| + |-5| > |5-5| YES!

(1) a2 > b2
|a| > |b|
This doesn't tell us anything about the sign. INSUFFICIENT.

(2) |a| × b < 0
This tells us b is negative. INSUFFICIENT.

Answer: E
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Ds Modules and inequalities [#permalink]
\(Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?\)

\((1) a^2>b^2\)

(\(2)|a| * b<0\)

got me confusing for a while and choose E.

used the std rule of | A + B | < |A| + | B | when XY > 0

Since it is difficult to find the sign of A in any case selected E.

Please let me know if the approach to this problem is correct ?
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Re: Ds Modules and inequalities [#permalink]
Normally I solve it by plugging numbers.

1. a^2>b^2
lets take a=-3 and b=-2; so, |a|+|b|=5 & |a+b|=5
Lets take a=-3 and b=2; so |a|+|b| = 5 & |a+b|=1
two different values, hence insufficient.

2. |a|*b<0
This implies b<0.
Lets take a=-3 and b=-2; so |a| + |b| = 5 & |a+b|=5
Lets take a=3 and b=-2; so |a| + |b| = 5 & |a+b|=1
two different values, hence insufficient.

Taking both together:
we can use the same numbers in statement 2. Hence, insufficient.

Answer: E
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Manhnip wrote:
\(Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?\)

\((1) a^2>b^2\)

(\(2)|a| * b<0\)

got me confusing for a while and choose E.

used the std rule of | A + B | < |A| + | B | when XY > 0

Since it is difficult to find the sign of A in any case selected E.

Please let me know if the approach to this problem is correct ?


Merging similar topics.

Look at the original post here: is-a-b-a-b-105457.html#p824216 The name of the topics MUST be "Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?"
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Re: Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? [#permalink]
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?

Is a^2 + b^2 > (a+b)^2?
is a^2 + b^2 > a^2 + 2ab + b^2?
Is 0 > 2ab?
Is ab negative?

(1) a^2 > b^2

This tells us that a^2 is greater than b^2 but it tells us nothing about the signs of a and b. For example, (-3)^2 > (2)^2 but -3 is less than 2. In this case, ab would be negative. On the other hand, (3)^2 > (2)^2 in which case 3 > 2 and ab would be positive.
INSUFFICIENT

(2) |a| * b < 0

This tells us that b must be negative as |a| will always be positive. however, a could be negative in which case ab would be positive or a could be negative in which case ab would be negative.
INSUFFICIENT

1+2) a^2 > b^2 and b is negative: that means the absolute value of |a| > |b|.

|-4| > |-1| ===> 4>1 Valid ===> ab = (-4)*(-1) = 4 (positive)
|4| > |-1| ===> 4>1 Valid ===> ab = (4)*(-1) = -4 (negative)

In other words, ab could be either positive or negative.
INSUFFICIENT

(E)
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Re: Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? [#permalink]
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?

|4| + |2| > |4 + 2| 6>6 Invalid

|-4| + |-2| > |-4 + -2| 6>6 Invalid

|-4| + |2| > |-4 + 2| 6>2 Valid

|4| + |-2| > |4 + -2| 6> 2 Valid

(Take note that the only two valid cases are when a and b have opposite signs)

The question then becomes, do a and b have opposite signs?

(1) a^2 > b^2
|a| > |b| but we don't know the signs of either.
INSUFFICIENT

(2) |a| * b < 0
For this to hold true, regardless of what a is (any number but zero) b must be negative. Like #1, this tells us nothing about the sign of a.
INSUFFICIENT


1+2) a^2 > b^2, |a| * b < 0
we know that b is negative but a could be positive or negative and a^2 > b^2 could still hold true. For example:

-6^2 > -5^2
36>25
-a, -b

6^2 > -5^2
36 > 25
a, -b

INSUFFICIENT

(E)




There is a similar problem in which you plug in numbers to solve (is-xy-0-1-x-3-y-5-x-y-2-0-2-x-y-x-y-86780.html) but when I try to solve it, it becomes a confusing mess. Could someone explain to me where I went wrong?

So, valid when:
|-a| > |b|
|a| > |-b|

(1) a^2 > b^2
The absolute value of a must be greater than the absolute value of b. For #1:
|a| > |b|
|-a| > |b|
|-a| > |-b|

Therefore, according to #1, the values of a and b could make the inequality |4| + |2| > |4 + 2| invalid (for example, if |a|>|b| or valid if |-a| > |b|)
INSUFFICIENT

(2) |a| * b < 0
|a|*b < 0
This is saying [positive or zero] * [b] < 0. If a is positive, b is negative. a and b cannot = 0. b is always negative regardless of what a is as |a| will always be positive or zero.

|-a| * (-b) < 0
|a| * (-b) < 0

The problem is valid when |-a| > |-b|. We don't know if |-a| > |b| as is stated in the stem. For example, |-1| * (-4) < 0 but |-1| is not greater than |-4|
INSUFFICIENT
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Re: Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? [#permalink]
From question we need only to know if ab<0.

Statement 1 tells us that abs A > abs B, which is clearly insufficient.

Statement 2 tells us that b<0.

From both statements we can't tell whether a is negative.

Therefore E is the correct answer choice

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Re: Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? Manhattan Inquality [#permalink]
honchos wrote:
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?

(1) a2 > b2

(2) |a| × b < 0

I got this from one of the closed group, thought to share for the advantage of vast global aspirant.

N.B. a2 = a X a = a square


st.1

a^2>b^2

if a=3, b=1, then answer to the question is no.
if a=-3,b=1, then answer to the question is yes

hence insufficient

st.2
|a| × b < 0
from here we can conclude that b<0 as |a| will always be positive. but here a can be both positive as well as negative.

if a=4, b=-2 then answer to the question is yes.
if a=-4 ,b=-1 then answer to the question is no.

st.1 and st.2

we know for sure than b<0, but a can still take both positive as well as negative values. hence both yes and no. answers are possible. therefore answer must be E.
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Re: Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? Manhattan Inquality [#permalink]
The question 'Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?' is basically asking if a and b have opposite signs.

(1) Insufficient. Says nothing about the signs of a and b.
(2) Insufficient. Just tells that b is negative, but we still don't know about the sign of a.

(1)+(2) Insufficient. We still don't know about the sign of a.

Answer E
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Re: Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ? [#permalink]
chiragatara wrote:
Is |a| + |b| > |a + b| ?

(1) a^2 > b^2
(2) |a| * b < 0


|a| + |b| will have both a and b +ve

|a + b| will have positive sum of a and b

But we don't know signs of both a and b

If both the signs are +ve then |a| + |b| = |a + b|
If both the signs are -ve then |a| + |b| = |a + b|
If both have opposite signs then |a| + |b| > |a + b|

(1) a^2 > b^2

It doesn't tell us anything about signs of a or b

(2) |a| * b < 0
|a| will be +ve, hence b is -ve

but a can be +ve or -ve. We don't get the actual sign.

Combining both statements is not giving us answer

(-6)^2> -5^2
6^2> -5^2
Not sufficient

E is the answer
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