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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

(A) but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(B) but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(C) but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(D) but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(E) but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

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New post 12 Mar 2009, 12:17
I would have gone with A, but sorry it is just from intuition. I dont know the logical difference between the usage of none and no one.

What is the OA?
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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.


cant be D also

is it B due to ||-ism?(people and None)
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neeshpal wrote:
People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.


clearly between A and B.

both gramatically sounds perfect.. B is concise.
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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.


clearly between A and B.

both gramatically sounds perfect.. B is concise.


It is not a Q of brevity here.

no one clearly refers to person

none can refer to any thing. none of them would be a different way of using none to refer to people

no person is not needed because we dont need to prove that no one refers to a person

Hence A
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x2suresh wrote:
neeshpal wrote:
People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.


clearly between A and B.

both gramatically sounds perfect.. B is concise.



OA is B

can you explain why B is considered concise.
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neeshpal wrote:
People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.


cant be D also

is it B due to ||-ism?(people and None)
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are you saying its || because "people" is an uncountable noun. (or is it countable....I dont know)
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I dont think this can come anywhere close to real GMAT question, but never mind.
1."none" is preferred to "no one" here. Why?
2. Because "people" and the subject of the "but" clause is supposed to be the opposite of each other.The opposite of "no one" is "anyone" or "everyone" and definitely not "people".
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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
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In that case, the opposite of people is not "none" either? then y is it chosen over no one?
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I dont think this can come anywhere close to real GMAT question, but never mind.
1."none" is preferred to "no one" here. Why?
2. Because "people" and the subject of the "but" clause is supposed to be the opposite of each other.The opposite of "no one" is "anyone" or "everyone" and definitely not "people".
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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

A. but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
C. but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
D. but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
E. but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
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i think the link provided by Nitya can be useful here. it is written there that "'none' is usually treated as a plural noun, while 'no one' is always a singular noun".
Hence people being plural must be followed by none (plural)
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The answer is B. "None" is used in a plural sense. "One" is singular and needs to be followed by a prepositional phase beginning with "of" to put emphasis on "one".

In addition, the sentence refers to people not an individual--a give away for agreement.
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New post 15 Jan 2010, 11:04
B;
plural usage for none with respect to people.
although must say combination of no one and dispute stretches the conventional wisdom... which GMAT doesnt give a dime...!
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i've read that "no one" is written as "no-one" with "-" in the middle, "English grammar in use" by Murphy. Just wonder if it is the cause? But most probably both of them are ok, i'm not native speaker though...
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Tough choice between A and B. If it says many can debate...... A is better. But it started with people so B is better None (of the people)
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New post 24 Jan 2010, 10:05
isn't none is short of no one( as it was written somewhere on net).

But even if we go by dictionary it says

no one - no person; not anyone; nobody
none - adj. not any
adv. not at all or in no way

I have confronted this question none vs no one & everywhere I saw that there's no difference. So, I think its actually a debatable question I find no difference between a & b
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Really, I cant decide between A and B. If it comes down to choosing I would probably just flip a coin .
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I will go for A because "none" is quite strange.
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I chose A
but B is correct as well... looking at nitya's link it seems better now.
However does GMAT care about this difference .. not so sure..
so will let it pass ...not worry too much about this question (though good to know :) )
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The distinction b/w (i) A vs (ii) B and D is singular vs plural

None can be plural or singular, depending on context.
No one/ no person - always singular.

... but none can dispute THEIR creators' mastery blah blah..... in b ---> "their" can relate back to "none" meaning the creators of the relevant persons had mastery over the paintbrush ---> yeah people's creators like certain Gods' mastery, those who created these works of art... religious much?

"None" can be ambiguous in b ---> is it the "works" or "none"? I think none can seem plural in this context

The only argument I can see for using "none" here is to make it parallel to "people" ---> both are plural. But why do it at the risk of having that ambiguous "their" in the sentence? I am a lawyer by profession and I would never write a sentence in a contract this way.

In A and D --- use of "their" bears no risk of relating back to "no one" or "no person" --- as these expressions are singular.

b/w A and D --- I'd just pick A though I can't say why "no person" is wrong. But of course the whole question is based on the premise that one needs to line up the "people" with "none."
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