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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2012, 11:13
I was convinced on B and then suddenly realized A is not wrong as well. The ear deceived me here. Good testing question.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2012, 19:14
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"no one" and "no person" are singular and need singular verbs such as his/her. But the verb is the same in all cases. It is THEIR. Thus the correct subject is None. It is a mimic of a OG question.


THEIR is not a verb.
I also think B should be the right answer.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2012, 23:50
Seems to me we're dealing with 2 different issues here.

In the real world:
People {plural} can debate..., but no one (not even one {singular} of them) can dispute...
or
People {plural} can debate..., but none {plural} of those people can dispute...
Here are the grammar rules:

1. When the subject of the sentence is an indefinite pronoun (anyone, anybody, anything, everyone, everybody, everything, whatever, whoever, either, neither, someone, somebody, something, nothing, no one, nobody, each, every):
All these pronouns are singular. They either already have the word "one" in them, or you can insert "one" without changing the meaning (anybody = any one body).
2. When the subject of the sentence is an amount word (fraction, percent, part, majority, minority, remainder) or pronoun (NASMA):
All of these can be singular or plural, and are followed by "of" and a noun. That latter noun determines the verb. "None of the water is missing", but "None of the workers are missing"). NASMA stands for "none, any, some, most, all" (from least to greatest).

So, in the real world, as some folks have already pointed out, either format will do just fine.
You can argue that plural...plural has better parallelism, but the contrast between plural "people" & singular "one" works well also.

The right question, though, is what the GMAT wants. If this is indeed taken from or modelled after an Official question, and the Official Answer is (B), just accept (B) as written in stone and move on.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2012, 09:16
http://www.englishforums.com/English/No ... g/post.htm

None is plural and no one is singular. Because of the inclusion of "but" you want "none" because "people" is the subject that is doing the disputing. Even though "merits" and "people" are both plural, "people" is the only subject that can realistically do the "disputing".
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"no one" and "no person" are singular and need singular verbs such as his/her. But the verb is the same in all cases. It is THEIR. Thus the correct subject is None. It is a mimic of a OG question.



Is their not refering to art ? or is ir refering to no one ?
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 04:37
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"no one" and "no person" are singular and need singular verbs such as his/her. But the verb is the same in all cases. It is THEIR. Thus the correct subject is None. It is a mimic of a OG question.



Is their not refering to art ? or is ir refering to no one ?


It's referring to art. You are making things parallel -> A verb B but A verb B.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 08:32
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mourinhogmat1 wrote:
"no one" and "no person" are singular and need singular verbs such as his/her. But the verb is the same in all cases. It is THEIR. Thus the correct subject is None. It is a mimic of a OG question.



Is their not refering to art ? or is ir refering to no one ?


It's referring to art. You are making things parallel -> A verb B but A verb B.


Than why does no one or none has to be plural or singular ?
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 08:44
Because "people" is plural. It only makes sense that people are the ones disputing, so you have to have "none" in order to properly match "people".
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 08:55
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Because "people" is plural. It only makes sense that people are the ones disputing, so you have to have "none" in order to properly match "people".


Although their were 10,000 people in the building but no one got killed.

Is this wrong ?
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 07 Aug 2012, 10:05
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Because "people" is plural. It only makes sense that people are the ones disputing, so you have to have "none" in order to properly match "people".


Although their were 10,000 people in the building but no one got killed.

Is this wrong ?


Well, that's wrong for a few reasons. "their" is possessive, should be "there". "Although" sets up a future contrast so there is no need to use "but". The sentence that you just used is different from the questions stem. Instead of thinking of rules and such (if there is X, then Y must be there) think of how you can convey the meaning. Two things are happening in the sentence. The first is obvious: "people can dispute the aesthetic merits..." That's no problem. Now the second part is "_______ can dispute their creators'". We want "people" to be disputing. In order to make it clear that we are referring to "people" we have to match plural with plural.

I am assuming that you are treating "no one" as "nobody" since I hear those two used interchangeably all the time. "Nobody" is commonly used for referring to "people", thus people tend to think that "no one" refers to people. However, in terms of written language "no one" can refer to anything, so long as that is singular. Therefore if you were to put "no one" as an answer choice, what does "no one" refer to? There are no singular nouns in the sentence so the meaning cannot be made clear in a written sense.
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 19 Aug 2012, 03:13
why we can't use no person ? no person is singular no nne can be also used as singluar. Can any one give reasons why no person is not valid choice.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 12:13
People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
IMO B

(A) but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument. -
(B) but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument. - I found b to be concise compared to A. ALso none is plural and matches their. No one is singular
(C) but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument. - Not a one. wrong
(D) but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument. - No one to No Person. Changes the meaning.
(E) but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument. - To the ir is wrong.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 21:06
'their' doesn't seem to agree with any of the choices. what is the source of the question?
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2012, 22:48
Answer is 'B'
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Because 'no one' and none' refers to people(which is plural), who are debating aesthetic merits of works
Between 'no one' and 'none' , we can use none to refer to people because 'no one' is used as singular.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2013, 07:48
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can someone please tell me the source of this question?
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2013, 08:01
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Guys " no one" is ALWAYS SINGULAR. Whereas "none" depends basically in the of-phrase of which it is a part.
In this question, "people can debate their......., but ___ can dispute their". Since we are already talking about people(plural), we are left with none. Options such as not a one, not a person and dispute to are ridiculous.
Hence B.


Totally agree with this explanation...I will go with B!
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 17 Sep 2013, 05:04
Here, does "their" refers to no one or none. I think it refers to the work of art, if I go by meaning. We are said that "'their creators' mastery of the paintbrush" Not somebody's(no one or none) mastery, but the mastery of the creators or art.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2014, 04:52
Could concision be a factor too here?
For choosing 'none' over 'no one'..

Its advised in many forums that if you're down to two choices both of which seeming correct, go with the concise one.
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