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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2009, 12:32
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People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting, sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.

(A) but no one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(B) but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(C) but not a one can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(D) but no person can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
(E) but none can dispute to their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2009, 01:02
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rohansherry wrote:
Xxx?People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, disquieting,
sometimes gruesome works of art, but no one can dispute their creators' mastery
of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument.
A. but [strike]no one[/strike] can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt
instrument.
B. but none can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt instrument. Correct
C. but [strike]not a one[/strike] can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt
instrument.
D. but [strike]no person[/strike]can dispute their creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt
instrument.
E. but none can [strike]dispute to their[/strike] creators' mastery of the paintbrush as a blunt
instrument.



Could you please comment why no one & no person are wrong in this sentence.
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2009, 02:48
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'none' is usually treated as a plural noun, while 'no one' is always a singular noun.
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2009, 10:16
OA : B

But need some more clarity on when to use None and when No one.( why A and D are rong) .. I had no idea if "none" can be right. never have come across with this kind. please put some ques or some further explanation to it
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 23 Jul 2010, 05:31
I think E

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This may sound bad, but as I'm just starting out on my gmat journey what is wrong with E
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 23 Jul 2010, 11:24
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E has "dispute to".. i doubt if thats the right usage..
As per my understanding B is correct..
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 05:55
None is plural whereas no one is singular. Also again, no person is singular. So this is S-V Agreement. Am I right people?
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 06:18
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'none' is usually treated as a plural noun, while 'no one' is always a singular noun.


Nopes. That is not correct. The singular/plural treatment of none (like some, all, any, many) depends on the noun immediately following it. Examples:

There are loads of cholocates in the fridge, but none of them are to be eaten.

I have loads of money, but none of that money is to be spent on shopping.

Moreover, in this context, there should not be any problem in using no one along with "people". A similar example is:

I have invited a lot of people to the party, but no one is likey to turn up.

Becuase the verb immediately following the underlined portion is "can debate" (which can refer to both singular and plural), in my view there is no problem in using either "no one" or "none". There is no reason to prefer one over the other.

I have, therefore, doubts on the legitimacy of this question, but I will flag this to the experts in MGMAT forums and see what is their response.
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 08:37
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I tend to agree with dewani none / no one ---- singular/plural doesn't seem to affect this sentence

no one in facts sounds better (no person sounds more awkward and unidiomatic) than none to my ear at least... but hey I am no expert :-D

would have gone with the option with no one
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 08:45
This seems to be a bogus Q --- no one / none / no person :? 'no one' is surely not wrong in the context

check out these threads - doubts re the legitimacy of this Q have been raised before
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... erits.html
gmatscore-people-debate-83146.html
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 11:20
hi all,

well here none is plural and no one is singular.
People is plural so none.

ALso.....if we read the entire sentence ,it says no one/none...can dispute their creators' .

here their obviously is plural......... :-D
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2010, 19:41
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"their" is referring to the works of art not to 'no one'/ 'none'. People don't have creators (not counting God and one's parents!)

people in plural and no one singular can go together I think. For instance:

Why do people ask foolish questions that no one can answer?

I don't think the above sentence is wrong...
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2010, 10:46
went with B ...........preferred none to no one ........

just for the sake of efficiency ......but i believe it need not matter ......
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2010, 10:56
deepakdewani wrote:

Becuase the verb immediately following the underlined portion is "can debate" (which can refer to both singular and plural), in my view there is no problem in using either "no one" or "none". There is no reason to prefer one over the other.



your explanation was good but in conclusion instead of a noun you chose a verb ............noun is "works of Art"
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 24 Aug 2010, 03:29
Can anyone explain why "no one" is not the correct subject in the 2nd clause. To me, if you chose "B", you compare the opinion of "people" (1st clause) and "none" (2nd close). Wouldn't it make more sense to compare the opinion of "people" to what "no one" (=nobody) can dispute???

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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 28 Jul 2011, 05:35
I chose B because i remember a similar example in OG which explains none to be better than not one due to concision? Correct me if I am wrong here.

I also agree to the bogus nature of this problem partly because there seems to be a problem with EXACTLY only one part of the question where the dispute lies over not one, no one and no person. There is no point of differentiation in the other parts of the question
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2011, 17:09
questions raised about legitimacy of this question...any comment about this..looks like B is better
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Re: people can debate [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2011, 22:21
I didn't understand why 'None' should be preferred over 'No One'. So I'll stick with A

Because I believe
One (Original Sentence) is innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2012, 04:19
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"no one" and "no person" are singular and need singular verbs such as his/her. But the verb is the same in all cases. It is THEIR. Thus the correct subject is None. It is a mimic of a OG question.
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Re: People can debate the aesthetic merits of these overwrought, [#permalink] New post 31 Jul 2012, 06:30
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Guys " no one" is ALWAYS SINGULAR. Whereas "none" depends basically in the of-phrase of which it is a part.
In this question, "people can debate their......., but ___ can dispute their". Since we are already talking about people(plural), we are left with none. Options such as not a one, not a person and dispute to are ridiculous.
Hence B.
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