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People who listen to certain recordings of music are in [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2012, 13:36
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People who listen to certain recordings of music are in danger of being unduly influenced by spoken messages that have been recorded backwards on the records or tapes.

A conclusion can be drawn from the above is that

1) the spoken messages must be louder than the music on the recordings
2) backwards messages can be added to a recording while still preserving all the musical qualities of the recorded performance
3) the recordings on which such messages appear are chosen for this purpose either because they are especially popular or because they induce a trancelike state
4) if such messages must be comprehended to exert influence, then people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards
5) when people listen to recorded music, they pay full attention to the music as it plays
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Re: CR [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2012, 14:49
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People who listen to certain recordings of music are in danger of being unduly influenced by spoken messages that have been recorded backwards on the records or tapes.

A conclusion can be drawn from the above is that

1) the spoken messages must be louder than the music on the recordings
2) backwards messages can be added to a recording while still preserving all the musical qualities of the recorded performance
3) the recordings on which such messages appear are chosen for this purpose either because they are especially popular or because they induce a trancelike state
4) if such messages must be comprehended to exert influence, then people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards
5) when people listen to recorded music, they pay full attention to the music as it plays


As always with CR, let's start with the question itself!

This is a Draw a Conclusion question, and when it comes to this question type, here's the golden rule:

    Pick the Conclusion that follows directly from the givens.

And so we're on to step two: understand those givens!

Here's what we know:

  • There are musical recordings with backwards message.
  • Listening to certain examples of such music may result in one being influenced by the message.

... and really, that's it. We don't have much to work with here! That actually carries a major pro on Draw a Conclusion – any answer choice that tries to claim "too much" should be tossed aside. Let's dive in ...

1) the spoken messages must be louder than the music on the recordings.

Remember that we're trying to draw a conclusion from what they have told us. There is nothing in the passage about volume. Wrong.

2) backwards messages can be added to a recording while still preserving all the musical qualities of the recorded performance

Same problem as (A). We're just told that people who do listen to these may be influenced by the message. We have no idea how good they sound! Wrong.

3) the recordings on which such messages appear are chosen for this purpose either because they are especially popular or because they induce a trancelike state

Why were these particular recordings chosen to have such messages? We don't know anything about where the message came from or who recorded them, let alone why they did it. Wrong.

4) if such messages must be comprehended to exert influence, then people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards

Now finally we have a real contender! Notice the overlap in language between this choice and the original passage – they both talk about "such message" and "exert[ing] influence". Let's break down what (D) is really saying. Note that it is of the form "if P, then Q," where

P = such messages must be comprehended to exert influence

and

Q = people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards

(Note that I tend to think pretty Quantitatively, even on the Verbal section!) Well, what do we know about influence from the passage? We know that some people are influenced by these messages. If we take P as given (people must understand the messages for them to be influenced by the messages), and we know that some people are influenced by the messages, then we can safely conclude Q (those people are able to understand the messages).

Note that in choosing choice (D), we are only concluding the if/then statement "if P, then Q". We are actually not concluding Q itself (people can understand the messages), nor can we!! We are just saying that, "if people must understand to be influenced, AND people actually are getting influenced, then we can say that people must understand."

It's pretty subtle, but hopefully that makes sense. (D) is in fact the correct answer, but really the better way to go here is to just try eliminating (E)! Let's take a look ...

5) when people listen to recorded music, they pay full attention to the music as it plays

The passage never says that we have to pay full attention to the music (or the message, for that matter) to be influenced by the message. All we know is that there are messages and some people are influenced by them. That's it. Wrong.

I think the original post says (E) for the correct answer, but it's definitely (D)!

Hope that helps!

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Re: CR [#permalink] New post 17 Jul 2012, 14:50
You are definitely correct. May I ask you a quick question? As one of your keen competitors advised, to deal with “drawing a conclusion” question, one should eliminate extreme words in answer choices except that there is a similar extreme expression in the stimulus. However, in this squib, do you find any extreme word? Is it “unduly”, meaning “excessively”? If not, how are you certain to pick up D as a correct answer? Is it the “if, then” pattern that guides you to quickly select the correct one?

I believe that different kinds of CR questions have distinct correct answer patterns. Could you please exemplify some more reasoning patterns with symbolic phrases like “if, then”?
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Re: Music [#permalink] New post 17 Jul 2012, 14:59
On average, we have one and half minutes to deal with a CR question. It will take an average of one minute to carefully read a stimulus, a question stem, and five answer choices. There will be around half minute to choose the correct answer. Do you think there is enough time for you to brainstorm some assumptions to handle the assumption family questions in such a short time? On the contrary, to save the valuable time, can we read the stimulus first rather than question first and then repeat the same question later since we already know that there are two major CR question types – assumption family and inference family plus some other minor ones – flawing reasoning, parallel reasoning, resolving paradox, function, etc.? I think a would-be GMAT 800 winner definitely employs a counterintuitive technique rather than follow an inflexible 4-step pattern to crack some “crazy” CR questions?

In short, can we just comprehensively read the squib and question and rapidly make an educated guess at the best answer with the right pattern in mind just as an aardvark quickly and accurately gets its prey with an electric tread in its tapered snout?
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People who listen to certain recordings of music are in [#permalink] New post 26 Jul 2014, 04:09
MarkSullivan wrote:
gjg wrote:
People who listen to certain recordings of music are in danger of being unduly influenced by spoken messages that have been recorded backwards on the records or tapes.

A conclusion can be drawn from the above is that

1) the spoken messages must be louder than the music on the recordings
2) backwards messages can be added to a recording while still preserving all the musical qualities of the recorded performance
3) the recordings on which such messages appear are chosen for this purpose either because they are especially popular or because they induce a trancelike state
4) if such messages must be comprehended to exert influence, then people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards
5) when people listen to recorded music, they pay full attention to the music as it plays


As always with CR, let's start with the question itself!

This is a Draw a Conclusion question, and when it comes to this question type, here's the golden rule:

    Pick the Conclusion that follows directly from the givens.

And so we're on to step two: understand those givens!

Here's what we know:

  • There are musical recordings with backwards message.
  • Listening to certain examples of such music may result in one being influenced by the message.

... and really, that's it. We don't have much to work with here! That actually carries a major pro on Draw a Conclusion – any answer choice that tries to claim "too much" should be tossed aside. Let's dive in ...

........

4) if such messages must be comprehended to exert influence, then people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards

Now finally we have a real contender! Notice the overlap in language between this choice and the original passage – they both talk about "such message" and "exert[ing] influence". Let's break down what (D) is really saying. Note that it is of the form "if P, then Q," where

P = such messages must be comprehended to exert influence

and

Q = people must be able to comprehend spoken messages recorded backwards

(Note that I tend to think pretty Quantitatively, even on the Verbal section!) Well, what do we know about influence from the passage? We know that some people are influenced by these messages. If we take P as given (people must understand the messages for them to be influenced by the messages), and we know that some people are influenced by the messages, then we can safely conclude Q (those people are able to understand the messages).

Note that in choosing choice (D), we are only concluding the if/then statement "if P, then Q". We are actually not concluding Q itself (people can understand the messages), nor can we!! We are just saying that, "if people must understand to be influenced, AND people actually are getting influenced, then we can say that people must understand."

It's pretty subtle, but hopefully that makes sense. (D) is in fact the correct answer, but really the better way to go here is to just try eliminating (E)! Let's take a look ...

5) when people listen to recorded music, they pay full attention to the music as it plays

The passage never says that we have to pay full attention to the music (or the message, for that matter) to be influenced by the message. All we know is that there are messages and some people are influenced by them. That's it. Wrong.

I think the original post says (E) for the correct answer, but it's definitely (D)!

Hope that helps!

Mark




Hi Mark,

I agree with elimination of first 3 option as you have highlighted, and also that option D and E are good contenders. But option D is definitely not the right answer considering following reasons

I) Question asks us to draw conclusion from the GIVEN argument - "A conclusion can be drawn from the above is that ". The answer choice D introduces new argument, argument p as you have highlighted. The choice D is correct, only when argument p is added to the given argument. That is, it goes against the requirement stated in the question.
II) Answer choice E is actually a pre-requisite type of conclusion. That is, if full attention is not paid, then there is no question of understanding or not understanding backwardly recorded message.
III) A best scenario to get influenced by message would be (in the given order)
a) pay full attention to music and all messages inside
b) be able to interpret the backward message (note that there is no "if" condition here, unlike option D)
c) Get influenced by interpreted message (as given in the passage)

If we fail to do III-a, then there is no question of being able to interpret the message.

Hence, E should be the correct choice.
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Re: People who listen to certain recordings of music are in [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2014, 12:34
Doe anyone know what the OA is? The expert's comment in the thread says the OA should be (D) where as the OA mentioned is (E). Please clarify. Thank you.
Re: People who listen to certain recordings of music are in   [#permalink] 15 Sep 2014, 12:34
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