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16 Jan 2013, 18:50
joy4ol wrote:
Sorry, I meant Joint degree (JD) as in MBA+MA. Does JD have different connotation as well in law?

Juris Doctor. Just as MDs are doctors, JDs are lawyers, and MBAs are crazies.
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17 Jan 2013, 15:48
What if the alternative to Darden was Wharton instead of Tuck? Just out of interest, how far up the list does everyone think you need to go to make it almost a "no-brainer"?
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18 Jan 2013, 15:01
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Go to Tuck. Even though Darden places at BBs, it's still not a core finance school and the competition will be tougher (less spots for each bank, more students). Also as an international student, you will get beat out more by US based students who will do a better job networking for the few spots. In the same time, overall quality of Tuck students will be higher than Darden's, making it a more competitive process from that perspective. $100K is like first year bonus at a BB (pre tax though). You will survive. At Fuqua (similar to Darden) and landed a BB summer associate role. Saw these play out first hand. I agree with this. Tuck is just a better b-school overall than darden, and you will get access to better opportunities.$100K in the long-term is not that much money; you don't want to go to darden and start regretting it 10 years down the road because you're having a tough time breaking into the job you want. Think of the MBA as a life investment. Don't sell yourself short.
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19 Jan 2013, 17:06
cheetarah1980 wrote:
abacab wrote:
joy4ol wrote:
Congrats on your BB summer, Abacab. Is there a substantial difference in the number of recruitment slots that banks decide on at semi-core programs such as Fuqua/Darden? As I said before, I am a bit worried about the absence of international recruits at the top BBs like GS and JPM at Darden last year. You are right of course, about the likelihood of tougher competition for BB slots at Tuck. So if the difference is substantial, this will be an important point to consider.

Yes there is a substantial difference. Banks like Morgan Stanley or JPM might have only 1-2 slots for a non-core school while Wharton or Harvard will have 7-8 spots. Not to mention the numbers you will see for JPM or GS are diluted by PWM roles and some IB roles are actually for international students home countries like Tokyo office which should not be counted. Then there is the group placement where your brand and alumni connection matters, along with post summer offer success. If you were at a place like Chicago, Columbia or Wharton where 70% of students are trying IB, competition is really bad. But a non finance, but top school like Kellogg or Tuck is much better for IB numbers game. There won't be enough qualified students on campus to compete with (many will try for consulting, true for Darden and Fuqua as well). Your short term goal is not IFC, it's a BB. If you land there, you can go to IFC regardless of Darden, Tuck or UNC. So go somewhere that will put you in best shape for BB. Recruiting is a tough game and everyone in each school thinks they will end up at MBB consulting or BB, and only a small portion does.

Where in the world did you the statistic that 70% of students at these schools are trying IB? I'm at Booth and less than 20% of my class is recruiting for IB positions. In fact, interes tin IB has gone DOWN at many of the "finance" schools over the last few years. In fact at Booth it's common knowledge that you pretty much have to take dump on an MD's desk not to get a banking offer. Most IB recruits actually wind up with MULTIPLE offers. I'm not saying IB isn't competitive in and of itself, but please don't give people the idea everyone and their mama is recruiting for it at certain schools. Maybe 10 years ago this was the case but definitely not today. The career interests of most business schools' student bodies have become much more diverse.

Cheetah is totally right on this point. At the top programs interest in i-banking has declined considerably in the last few years. That helps explain the precipitous decline in apps to columbia/nyu last year. Consulting remains super hot, but a lot of people are looking into startups, tech, marketing, corporate strategy, and buyside jobs.
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20 Jan 2013, 14:10
abacab wrote:
Means 60-70% who did recruit for MBB didn't get it which is a good 100+ very qualified people, from a M7 school none the less.

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That's looking at the glass as being half-empty. You're not going to get a highly coveted job on a silver platter just because you're at a certain school. As I see it, 30-40% chance at MBB (maybe slightly higher at HSW) is amazingly good odds.
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