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In the actual GMAT, people expect to score similar to their prep test scores. But in the last few days, I have come across quite a few cases on the forum in which people score much lower on GMAT verbal than they do on prep test verbal. So I thought of digging up a bit on why this might be taking place.

Here are some of Brian's thoughts (and my comments in brackets):

· A lot of prep RC passages are “old” in the longer-winded 400+ word count days, but the newer passages are shorter and denser *and* everyone seems to get 4 passages (I have also heard about people getting 5).

· I have to bet the official SC is getting tougher. Especially among the forum crowd you have a lot of memorizers who might have gotten by on previous “memorize between vs. among” or “memorize such as vs. like” questions but now they’re more reasoning-based (more questions based on accurate meaning). And I doubt the most popular tests have caught up, so they’re practicing for older questions.

· Really the best explanation I have is that the test is evolving faster than some popular practice tests.

· ALSO – I wonder how many prep tests are from people doing AWA/IR first. I bet IR saps people’s energy more than they think and they’re losing focus toward the end.

· Perhaps a downside to a lot of forum time - I wonder if students had seen enough practice test questions discussed on the forums - or direct ripoffs and variations of them - that their scores were a little inflated.

On the whole, the point is that actual GMAT is tougher than some popular practice tests. These tests have probably been the same for the past 3-4 yrs though the pattern especially of Verbal has changed drastically.

My suggestion going forward will be to adapt yourself to the new GMAT - shorter but denser RCs and reasoning based SCs. Try to get hold of some latest tests for two reasons - the questions would be better suited to the current GMAT and the questions would be *new* i.e. they wouldn't have been discussed on the forum before. Also, web based tests are better than downloadable one. (Let me add here that one neat feature of our new tests is that they're web based and easy to update, so we can update, add, and delete questions instantly.)
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In the actual GMAT, people expect to score similar to their prep test scores. But in the last few days, I have come across quite a few cases on the forum in which people score much lower on GMAT verbal than they do on prep test verbal. So I thought of digging up a bit on why this might be taking place.

Here are some of Brian's thoughts (and my comments in brackets):

· A lot of prep RC passages are “old” in the longer-winded 400+ word count days, but the newer passages are shorter and denser *and* everyone seems to get 4 passages (I have also heard about people getting 5).

· I have to bet the official SC is getting tougher. Especially among the forum crowd you have a lot of memorizers who might have gotten by on previous “memorize between vs. among” or “memorize such as vs. like” questions but now they’re more reasoning-based (more questions based on accurate meaning). And I doubt the most popular tests have caught up, so they’re practicing for older questions.

· Really the best explanation I have is that the test is evolving faster than some popular practice tests.

· ALSO – I wonder how many prep tests are from people doing AWA/IR first. I bet IR saps people’s energy more than they think and they’re losing focus toward the end.

· Perhaps a downside to a lot of forum time - I wonder if students had seen enough practice test questions discussed on the forums - or direct ripoffs and variations of them - that their scores were a little inflated.

On the whole, the point is that actual GMAT is tougher than some popular practice tests. These tests have probably been the same for the past 3-4 yrs though the pattern especially of Verbal has changed drastically.

My suggestion going forward will be to adapt yourself to the new GMAT - shorter but denser RCs and reasoning based SCs. Try to get hold of some latest tests for two reasons - the questions would be better suited to the current GMAT and the questions would be *new* i.e. they wouldn't have been discussed on the forum before. Also, web based tests are better than downloadable one. (Let me add here that one neat feature of our new tests is that they're web based and easy to update, so we can update, add, and delete questions instantly.)

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In the actual GMAT, people expect to score similar to their prep test scores. But in the last few days, I have come across quite a few cases on the forum in which people score much lower on GMAT verbal than they do on prep test verbal. So I thought of digging up a bit on why this might be taking place.

Here are some of Brian's thoughts (and my comments in brackets):

· A lot of prep RC passages are “old” in the longer-winded 400+ word count days, but the newer passages are shorter and denser *and* everyone seems to get 4 passages (I have also heard about people getting 5).

· I have to bet the official SC is getting tougher. Especially among the forum crowd you have a lot of memorizers who might have gotten by on previous “memorize between vs. among” or “memorize such as vs. like” questions but now they’re more reasoning-based (more questions based on accurate meaning). And I doubt the most popular tests have caught up, so they’re practicing for older questions.

· Really the best explanation I have is that the test is evolving faster than some popular practice tests.

· ALSO – I wonder how many prep tests are from people doing AWA/IR first. I bet IR saps people’s energy more than they think and they’re losing focus toward the end.

· Perhaps a downside to a lot of forum time - I wonder if students had seen enough practice test questions discussed on the forums - or direct ripoffs and variations of them - that their scores were a little inflated.

On the whole, the point is that actual GMAT is tougher than some popular practice tests. These tests have probably been the same for the past 3-4 yrs though the pattern especially of Verbal has changed drastically.

My suggestion going forward will be to adapt yourself to the new GMAT - shorter but denser RCs and reasoning based SCs. Try to get hold of some latest tests for two reasons - the questions would be better suited to the current GMAT and the questions would be *new* i.e. they wouldn't have been discussed on the forum before. Also, web based tests are better than downloadable one. (Let me add here that one neat feature of our new tests is that they're web based and easy to update, so we can update, add, and delete questions instantly.)

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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
In the actual GMAT, people expect to score similar to their prep test scores. But in the last few days, I have come across quite a few cases on the forum in which people score much lower on GMAT verbal than they do on prep test verbal. So I thought of digging up a bit on why this might be taking place.

Here are some of Brian's thoughts (and my comments in brackets):

· A lot of prep RC passages are “old” in the longer-winded 400+ word count days, but the newer passages are shorter and denser *and* everyone seems to get 4 passages (I have also heard about people getting 5).

· I have to bet the official SC is getting tougher. Especially among the forum crowd you have a lot of memorizers who might have gotten by on previous “memorize between vs. among” or “memorize such as vs. like” questions but now they’re more reasoning-based (more questions based on accurate meaning). And I doubt the most popular tests have caught up, so they’re practicing for older questions.

· Really the best explanation I have is that the test is evolving faster than some popular practice tests.

· ALSO – I wonder how many prep tests are from people doing AWA/IR first. I bet IR saps people’s energy more than they think and they’re losing focus toward the end.

· Perhaps a downside to a lot of forum time - I wonder if students had seen enough practice test questions discussed on the forums - or direct ripoffs and variations of them - that their scores were a little inflated.

On the whole, the point is that actual GMAT is tougher than some popular practice tests. These tests have probably been the same for the past 3-4 yrs though the pattern especially of Verbal has changed drastically.

My suggestion going forward will be to adapt yourself to the new GMAT - shorter but denser RCs and reasoning based SCs. Try to get hold of some latest tests for two reasons - the questions would be better suited to the current GMAT and the questions would be *new* i.e. they wouldn't have been discussed on the forum before. Also, web based tests are better than downloadable one. (Let me add here that one neat feature of our new tests is that they're web based and easy to update, so we can update, add, and delete questions instantly.)

Hi Karishma,

I agree with - · Really the best explanation I have is that the test is evolving faster than some popular practice tests.
but what is solution for this? Practice tests from prep companies are, are only source. I think ball in their court now.

and this - actual GMAT is tougher than some popular practice tests.

Please tell me how to do what you mention here "Try to get hold of some latest tests"
GMATPrep only offers two exams. Every one already has OG's, OG Supplements as well the official Question Pack.

What else do we do?
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Hi Karishma,

I agree with - · Really the best explanation I have is that the test is evolving faster than some popular practice tests.
but what is solution for this? Practice tests from prep companies are, are only source. I think ball in their court now.

and this - actual GMAT is tougher than some popular practice tests.

Please tell me how to do what you mention here "Try to get hold of some latest tests"
GMATPrep only offers two exams. Every one already has OG's, OG Supplements as well the official Question Pack.

What else do we do?

I don't know what everybody else is doing but I can tell you what we are doing about it:

We realize the problem and that is why our team has been busy creating new relevant questions for the past few months (with a small contribution from yours truly too). Our recently released 5 tests have been made keeping the changing pattern in mind. Also, they have novelty value since they have not been discussed on the forum yet. Of course, with time, those questions will come to the forum but I will encourage people to use a spoiler alert so that people who wish to take the complete test do not try those questions before hand. Also, the tests are web based so we keep updating them with new questions.

What you can do:

You can get in touch with the prep provider you use and ask them about the age and relevance of their tests in the current scenario. Take the score of only their latest tests (which are according to the changing GMAT pattern) seriously. The other tests can be used for practice.

You obviously cannot do anything about the official GMAT prep tests - you would have seen questions from those and the questions would be a little old but still they are great practice and a must do.
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07 Aug 2013, 23:34
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VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
In the actual GMAT, people expect to score similar to their prep test scores. But in the last few days, I have come across quite a few cases on the forum in which people score much lower on GMAT verbal than they do on prep test verbal. So I thought of digging up a bit on why this might be taking place.

Here are some of Brian's thoughts (and my comments in brackets):

· A lot of prep RC passages are “old” in the longer-winded 400+ word count days, but the newer passages are shorter and denser *and* everyone seems to get 4 passages (I have also heard about people getting 5).

So depending on the number of questions per passage, it's possible that half of your verbal questions will be from RC? If that's the case students preparing for the GMAT need to spend substantially more time preparing for RC questions.

I don't think the ratio is that skewed. If you get more passages, you might get fewer questions per passage. People usually get 4 passages and 3/4 questions per passage so they would get around 14 questions from RC (par for the course). If they get 5 passages, they may get only 3 questions per passage and hence 15 questions - in this case RC has slightly more weightage. The issue here is that it takes a lot of time to go through the passage and understand it. Having fewer questions from more passages eats into your time.

Hello Karishma,

I agree with you completely. The number of questions per passage is small. When i took the test 2 days back, my passages (total 4) were not very difficult to understand. However, the answer choices... They seemed to be very close! I seem to get the gist of it! But it does not help in answering the questions. Believe me, its more frustrating to read the passage over 2 times, understand what the author means and still either none or more than 2 of the choices still make sense! The passage covered the choices at one place or the other and I believe i picked the wrong answer every time. Now that we know, that the passages are shorter and sometimes even easy to understand, what are the best ways to tackle RCs with tricky questions and close choices? I do not have a technique of my own yet, i am trying to understand what works best for me. How should i approach this situation?
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