mikemcgarry wrote:
chiranjeev12 wrote:
@Mike
I think we cannot and should never take into account 'curmudgeon' factor because this problem is critical reasoning problem and to logically attempt it, we have to assume some orderliness in the world. Obviously, people do behave oddly at times but we cannot assume such behavior to be default. I think, in these kinds of reasoning problems, we have to expect some logical behavior, unless suggested otherwise.
CJ
Thank you for your feedback. I guess I would say --- yes, I definitely was being a over-dramatic, even hyperbolic, for pedagogical clarity, but to be a little more precise --- isn't there a subtle but important distinction between
(a)
simply choosing an option and
(b)
finding that option "appealing"In other words, doesn't the word "appealing" connote some kind of emotional boost, some sort of positive charge, whether excitement or intrigue or hope or attraction or etc. above and beyond just the absolute flat dull act of choosing itself. For example, I may look over the bruised fruit left at my grocery store, and after some inspection, I may choose the one that looks least damaged --- yes, I chose it, but I would not necessarily attach the word "appealing" to it. With cars --- some people (certainly the folks that have been vociferously demanding better engines) get a real charge out of driving --- they take genuine excitement in the experience of being behind the wheel of a car that handles well. Yes, those people definitely will find the cars with better engine performance appealing. But the folks who view a car purely unemotionally and utilitarianly, as purely an instrument for getting from point A to point B in the most hassle-free way imaginable ---- suppose their only criterion was "engine performance" (perhaps because of the reliability, which, after all, is an aspect of engine performance) --- if they bought, according to this single criterion, the best utilitarian device for getting from A to B, are we necessarily going to conclude that they have enough of a positive emotional charge associated with the choice that we have to say they find it "appealing", over and above the bare fact of the choice itself? Bare preference does not necessarily imply any heightened affect, which is what the word "appealing" does imply.
Yes, this is a picayune distinction, but I took this to be Veritas' way of signalling (D) as the OA ---- (D) explicitly mentions "appealing" and (E) doesn't.
What do you think?
Mike, I agree with you that there is a difference between “finding an object appealing” and “choosing it over other choices”. I think this difference goes even beyond just subtlety; it appears to me quite significant, especially in example like, choosing the least rotten fruit, you gave. Life is full of compromises. We don’t generally get to choose things we find appealing, whether this relates to cars we drive or jobs we do or houses we own etc. Many of us won’t find our job appealing, even though we have chosen it. So, choice is not only a function of the appeal of the object but a number of other restrictions or compromises we face in day to day life.
I had thought about this when I wrote my earlier reply. But when I tried to think through this, I asked a question, “What would make something appeal to me?”. The answer is if it satisfies some of my criteria of a good object e.g. A BMW car would surely appeal to me since it satisfies some of my criteria of a good car (and this criteria may include the social status of the car, which impacts the emotional “appeal” much more than mere technical qualifications) but it may still not satisfy all my criteria of a good car (I may want a car which can run on its own or change speeds according to my mood or whatever).
Now suppose I get a car which actually satisfies all my criteria, including social and emotional criteria, of a good car, would I necessarily find it appealing? Now, the answer seems yes. Why? Because now we have considered my emotional requirements also from a car, like social status (BMW) or brand value (Apple). Previously we thought about criteria in terms of technical features only.
So, now coming back, if I say I am a simple person who has just one criterion and there comes an object which is better than anything else in terms of that criterion, I am surely going to find it appealing. I agree that it’s quite hard to imagine a person so simple as to possess only a single criterion, it actually seems more like a computer, which based on a particular input gives a particular output. Emotions are by default multidimensional. But our argument involves such simplicity. Negation of E means that Engine performance is the only criterion.
So, to conclude this, I agree with your understanding of the difference between appealing and choosing. However, you considered only the functional (or technical) attributes as criteria for choosing but if we include functional, social, mental and spiritual (Man is mind, body and spirit -:) ) aspects also, then if something satisfies all our criteria, I think we’ll find it appealing (an emotion, which is connected to both mind and spirit).
mikemcgarry wrote:
chiranjeev12 wrote:
E. Engine performance is not the only consideration made by consumers when purchasing a vehicle. – This means that there are other considerations for buyers than just engine performance. Here, the question is deliberately bringing in other factors of consideration. So, in this case, we cannot assume these other factors to be constant, like in analysis of option D.
If there are other considerations than just engine performance, then even the people who are demanding the improvement, may not like the improved vehicles, if these other factors are altered negatively. In this case, we cannot make any conclusion since this option brings in factors, which the given two premises didn’t even talk about.
What makes me uneasy with this way of dispatching with (E) ---- the passage says: "
Therefore, future improvements in engine performance will create vehicles that appeal only to those particular consumers." Exactly how are we to understand that word "
only"? As necessary or sufficient? In other words, that last sentence most certainly means
(1) "
If a person finds the improved engine performance of future cars appealing, then that person was one who actively demanded better engine performance."
But does it mean:
(2)
"If a person actively demanded better engine performance, then that person will be one who finds the improved engine performance of future cars appealing."
Do you see what I mean? It's not at all clear to me that the word "
only" is intended to be read biconditionally. If the word "
only" means just (1) and not (2), then the fact that some of those better-engine-performance-demanding folks might have other criteria, and some might not find the cars with improved engine performance appealing because these future cars declined in value with respect to another unspecified criterion --- that's not necessarily a problem. That situation would be a problem for (2) but not for (1). If we read the "
only" in the sense of (1) and not (2), I don't believe this interpretation of (E) is enough to eliminate it.
What do you think? Of these two different perspectives, which do you think offers the better reason for eliminating (E)?
Let’s see the conclusion statement without this bugging “only”:
“Therefore, future improvements in engine performance will create vehicles that appeal to those particular consumers”
Now, this statement clearly means your statement (2).
What is the role of “only” here? If this is only to limit the section of people who find the new vehicles appealing, then statement (2) should continue to hold. But if we put statement (2) in doubt, when “only” is used, then “only” not only eliminates others from finding the improved cars appealing but also removes the compulsion from consumer-who-demanded the improvement to find the car appealing. Frankly, I agree that there is a lack of clarity. When thinking critically, I don’t agree with this dual role of “only”, however, on reading the original sentence, I do find it ambiguous.
As far as my reasoning for dispatching option E goes, if you look at it, I reasoned that since we cannot draw any conclusion by assuming option E, this is not the correct option. This reasoning continues to hold even if we consider the original conclusion to mean only statement (1).
Let’s put all we have here together:
Premise 1 (from question): Improvements in engine performance occur usually when consumers have expressed a demand for them.
Premise 2 (from question): Currently, only certain consumer segments are demanding better engine performance in their cars.
Assumption (option E): Engine performance is not the only consideration made by consumers when purchasing a vehicle.
Conclusion: future improvements in engine performance will create vehicles that appeal only to those particular consumers.
Assumption i.e. option E doesn’t help us in taking us closer to the conclusion. What it does is that it takes the demanding consumers on par with non-demanding consumers. I mean, without this statement, we could not say about the appeal of improved cars to non-demanding consumers but could have talked about a very likelihood of such appeal to demanding consumers.
What this statement does is that it makes us clueless about the whole situation. Now, we can’t say anything about anyone, whether demanding or non-demanding consumer, since now there are so many other factors of consideration of which we don’t know about.
And even if our conclusion only meant statement (1) i.e. “If a person finds the improved engine performance of future cars appealing, then that person was one who actively demanded better engine performance”, option E doesn’t support this. The improved engine performance car may appeal to non-demanding consumers if it satisfies the all of the considerations of those people. We just don’t know what these considerations are and how these new cars fare on those considerations.
Thus, option E is incorrect because no conclusion (including the conclusion we needed) is possible with the help of this assumption.
What do you think?
Warm Regards,
CJ