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I read somewhere that there is an assumption negation technique. Can I use that here?
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Thanks Karishma for explaining the ANT.
I understand the above explanation given for ANT. I have read in the Veritas CR book that after Negate the choice in such a manner that newly created choice should be logically opposite of the original choice.

I tried this ANT for choice E.
Original Choice -
The 45 most recently founded companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.

As per me, after applying ANT, choice E becomes,
The 45 most recently founded companies were NOT all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.
However, as per your below explanation, the ANT should be focusing on the number 45, not on verb = were established.
Can you discuss this in detail. I understand the below quoted reasoning, nonetheless.

VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
You don't need option (E) to be true for the conclusion to be true. Say, even if all 45 were not established as a result of enthusiasm (say, only 40 were established as a result of enthusiasm), even then it is possible that interest in opera has increased. You don't need (E) to be true to prove the conclusion. Hence it is not an assumption.
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Thanks Karishma for explaining the ANT.
I understand the above explanation given for ANT. I have read in the Veritas CR book that after Negate the choice in such a manner that newly created choice should be logically opposite of the original choice.

I tried this ANT for choice E.
Original Choice -
The 45 most recently founded companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.

As per me, after applying ANT, choice E becomes,
The 45 most recently founded companies were NOT all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.
However, as per your below explanation, the ANT should be focusing on the number 45, not on verb = were established.
Can you discuss this in detail. I understand the below quoted reasoning, nonetheless.



Your negation is correct. You have negated the 45 as well. "All" stands for the 45 companies. "were not all" (it means not all 45) established as a result of enthusiasm...

I could have negated the correct option as
"There were not fewer than 45 ..." which is awkward. So instead, I made it "more than (or equal to) 45"
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In North America there has been an explosion of public interest in, and enjoyment of,opera over the last three decades. The evidence of this explosion is that of the 70 or so professional opera companies currently active in North America,45 were founded over the course of the last 30 years.

The reasoning above assumes which one of the following?

a) All of the 70 professional opera companies are commercially viable options.

b) There were fewer than 45 professional opera companies that had been active 30 years ago and that ceased operations during the last 30 years.

c) There has not been a corresponding increase in the number of professional companies devoted to other performing arts.

d) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.

e) The 45 most recently founded companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.

Can someone provide a reasoning over choice E


The giveaway word is ALL. If E were framed in this way "SOME of the 45 most recently founded companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience" that response would be a stronger contender for a correct assumption than E is.

Negating B, the correct answer, basically rips the argument because it would imply that having 70 active professional opera companies is nothing spectacular or historic and thus cannot be used an indicator of a recent boom in operatic interest.
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d) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.

how did you eliminate option D

if I negate D it will look like

The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has decreased over the past three decades.

This weakens the conclusion that there has been a explosion of interest
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IMO B

(A) All of the 70 professional opera companies are commercially viable options.
The argument doesn't mention the "commericial" aspect, this adds informations and the conclusion cannot be based on added information in the answer.
(B) There were fewer than 45 professional opera companies that had been active 30 years ago and that ceased operations during the last 30 years.
Correct (IMO)
(C) There has not been a corresponding increase in the number of professional companies devoted to other performing arts.
This is a good one... but since the passage doesn't mention any other art, I discard this and pick B.
(D) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.
This option mention the "average", not the "number". Moreover the text links the increase of the number of bands to the explosion of public interest, and does not say anything about the audience.
(E) The 45 most recently founded opera companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.
The word "all" makes this answer too extreme
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i think the answer must be B.
E is close but it just strengthens the fact that "Public likes the operas established in the last three decades or Operas are bound to make good profit or Opera is making a good business" But we are asked to find an assumption or support for the fact that it is against the public interest on the basis of an evidence that 45 out of 75 operas are founded in the last 3 decades." So the gap is "How can there be explosion of public interest if more number of operas are opened in that particular decade."
If we weaken the fact that all these operas in discussion are opened in the last three decades and not carried fwd frm previously running operas.
Than we can protect our conclusion.

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came down to b and e when you negate E, it doesn't really tie that well into the conclusion....IMO.
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came down to b and e when you negate E, it doesn't really tie that well into the conclusion....IMO.



be flexible. Do not rely always on the negation technique: though is the most powerful tool for assumption questions, try to understand the question itself, too

this is what is our conclusion and what lead to it

The evidence of this explosion is that of the 70 or so professional opera companies currently active in North America, 45 were founded over the course of the last 30 years.


(E) The 45 most recently founded opera companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.


As you can see is completely unrelated to our conclusion.

Basically it says that NOW still exist more than 45 companies founded over the course of the last 30 years.

In E we see that something is RECENTLY founded due to the ENTHUSIASM of POTENTIAL audience. This is completely incosistent with our argument.

B must be the answer.

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d) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.

how did you eliminate option D

if I negate D it will look like

The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has decreased over the past three decades.

This weakens the conclusion that there has been a explosion of interest


All,

I also thought about D as a viable answer choice after negating
Would someone please clarify what is wrong with this answer choice

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d) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.

how did you eliminate option D

if I negate D it will look like

The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has decreased over the past three decades.

This weakens the conclusion that there has been a explosion of interest


All,

I also thought about D as a viable answer choice after negating
Would someone please clarify what is wrong with this answer choice

Thanks
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The negation of (D) is
The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has NOT increased over the past three decades.

Our conclusion can still hold even if this is true and therefore, (D) is not an assumption.

Conclusion: Over the last 30 years, there has been an explosion of interest in Opera.

We are given that 45 new companies were founded in this time. The size of the audience may not have increased because the new companies attracted the new following or size of the audience may have stayed the same because of capacity issues at the opera houses.

Also, absolute number of people visiting a place doesn't give you much info about the increase/decrease in popularity. You need to know the % of population that visits a place over a period of time. Opening up of many such new places hints at increase in popularity because it means that people see profit in the business and believe that it will do well provided they are not replacing the old dying companies and hoping to pull their clientele.
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In North America there has been an explosion of public interest in, and enjoyment of, opera over the last three decades. The evidence of this explosion is that of the 70 or so professional opera companies currently active in North America, 45 were founded over the course of the last 30 years.

The reasoning above assumes which one of the following?

(A) All of the 70 professional opera companies are commercially viable options.
(B) There were fewer than 45 professional opera companies that had been active 30 years ago and that ceased operations during the last 30 years.
(C) There has not been a corresponding increase in the number of professional companies devoted to other performing arts.
(D) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.
(E) The 45 most recently founded opera companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.


Conclusion > People like opera nowadays because 45 schools opened in the last 30 years.

A - No one cares
C - Again no one cares
D - The size of the average audience could have gone from 1 to 20000000000000, but yet again no one cares because the average size of the audience
is not the criteria used to advance the conclusion. The criteria is based on the # of opera companies not the amount of monacle wearing gentleman who attend operas.
E - This means zilch because the companies have already been founded, so wether or not the companies were founded because I was enthused doesn't matter at this point. Again, enthusiasm does nothing to advance the conclusion because it only talks about a "part" of a potential audience. That potential audience could be 1 billion people or you and your dog.

B
Negated > There were more than 45 professional opera companies that had been active 30 years ago and that ceased operations during the last 30 years.

Imagine If there were 1 billion opera companies, and now there are 70 opera companies.
Now imagine that only 45 opened during the 30 years that 1 Billion opera companies closed. (+45) + (-1Billion) = wrecks this argument
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I read your post
The reason below why I do not find A as the correct answer

Here we are talking about only the currently 'active' 70 professional opera companies, so the companies which are inactive or closed are not the set we are discussing in the question, we can say that if 45 are active now in last 30 years (which remained active after 50 were closed and 95 in total were founded) can still show that there is an explosion in interest because we don't know how many companies failed before 30 years to keep the 25 companies active (70 = 45 + 25), probably there were 200 companies founded before 30 years and only 25 remained active, because people weren't that interested and hence now there is an explosion of interest because approx. 50% of the companies founded in last 30 decades remained active and survived, as compared to the 12.5% of companies that remained active before 30 decades (here 12.5% means 25 out of 200 and approx. 50% means 45 out of 95)
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I read your post
The reason below why I do not find A as the correct answer

Here we are talking about only the currently 'active' 70 professional opera companies, so the companies which are inactive or closed are not the set we are discussing in the question, we can say that if 45 are active now in last 30 years (which remained active after 50 were closed and 95 in total were founded) can still show that there is an explosion in interest because we don't know how many companies failed before 30 years to keep the 25 companies active (70 = 45 + 25), probably there were 200 companies founded before 30 years and only 25 remained active, because people weren't that interested and hence now there is an explosion of interest because approx. 50% of the companies founded in last 30 decades remained active and survived, as compared to the 12.5% of companies that remained active before 30 decades (here 12.5% means 25 out of 200 and approx. 50% means 45 out of 95)


My post tells you that the answer is (B), not (A). I am assuming it is a typo in your post above.

The probability of a place succeeding depends on many many factors - location, policies, management, quality of product, service etc.
Continuing with the example of a pizza parlor, it may shut down because the recipe of the sauce is not good - pizza might still be very popular. So survival rate is not a measure of popularity of a product. But number of outlets surviving are. If last year, there were 100 pizza outlets surviving in a city and this year there are 200 surviving then we can say that pizza is more popular now than before.
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I think Option B is the best of the lot but can someone please clarify on the scope shift? Don't you think Option B talks about the number of companies. For example if you negate Option B, the total number of opera companies is either flat or decreased. But the conclusion (first statement) says there has been an explosion of public interest. Am I wrong in seeing a scope shift here? Number of companies vs audiences?

What if there has been a decrease in the number of companies (in the real world think of it as consolidation/competition in a booming industry), while at the same time a massive increase in the number of audiences or shows per company?

Can someone point out the flaw in my reasoning?

Still I think B is the best of the lot, but not good enough.
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I think Option B is the best of the lot but can someone please clarify on the scope shift? Don't you think Option B talks about the number of companies. For example if you negate Option B, the total number of opera companies is either flat or decreased. But the conclusion (first statement) says there has been an explosion of public interest. Am I wrong in seeing a scope shift here? Number of companies vs audiences?

What if there has been a decrease in the number of companies (in the real world think of it as consolidation/competition in a booming industry), while at the same time a massive increase in the number of audiences or shows per company?

Can someone point out the flaw in my reasoning?

Still I think B is the best of the lot, but not good enough.


There is a small jump of assumption here - that the interest and no.of companies are directly correlated (and this assumption is not unjustified as such - it is not practical that when the public interest explodes, more companies would shut down than would open).

But strictly thinking, your point is valid - option B is a strengthening statement (very close to, if not is, an assumption).
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In North America there has been an explosion of public interest in, and enjoyment of,opera over the last three decades. The evidence of this explosion is that of the 70 or so professional opera companies currently active in North America,45 were founded over the course of the last 30 years.

The reasoning above assumes which one of the following?

(A) All of the 70 professional opera companies are commercially viable options.

(B) There were fewer than 45 professional opera companies that had been active 30 years ago and that ceased operations during the last 30 years.

(C) There has not been a corresponding increase in the number of professional companies devoted to other performing arts.

(D) The size of the average audience at performances by professional opera companies has increased over the past three decades.

(E) The 45 most recently founded companies were all established as a result of enthusiasm on the part of a potential audience.


Source : LSAT PrepTest February 1997, Q20 AnthonyRitz

From Manhattan LSAT Instructor (Tommy Wallach) wrote:

This is an assumption question, so let's start by focusing on the core.

Conclusion: Explosion of interest in opera over last 30 years
Premise: Of the 70 active companies, 45 were founded in the last 30 years.

(A) Believe it or not, we don't need this. Many artistic operations make their money through donations and public support. They don't need to be commercially viable. However, (A) is also too extreme. The argument does not assume that all of them are viable, just enough to bear out the conclusion that interest is exploding.

(B) CORRECT. The problem with the argument is that even if 45 companies were founded recently, what if there were a thousand companies 40 years ago, and all of them died out, and 45 new ones came in? This tells us that there were fewer than 45 companies that closed in the past 30 years. This helps prove that 45 new ones opening up is greater than the number that closed.

(C) is totally out of scope. We only care about opera.

(D) doesn't actually help, because the average size could go up because most opera houses close. If 9 out of 10 opera houses close, even if audiences are up 50%, we've still lost audience.

(E) is never assumed. We don't need to know why they were founded, just that they were (and that they outnumbered the houses that closed).


EXPLANATION FROM KAPLAN


Assumptions link evidence and conclusion. Never forget that!

In arguing that North American public interest in and enjoyment of opera has skyrocketed over the last three decades, the author points to the fact that 45 out of the 70 active professional opera companies were founded during that time. He must see a link between the companies’ founding and audience enthusiasm over that time period, but this answer may be hard to predict, so let’s just examine each choice in turn.

(A) Do all 70 have to be “commercially viable” for the argument to work? No, because commercial viability isn’t a term in the discussion. Some, or even many, of the companies may be having a rough time commercially right now, but they still could have been founded by way of 30 years’ worth of audience enthusiasm. Eliminate.

(B) This one speaks to the implied comparison between the last three decades and earlier years. Suppose, for the moment, that (B) is wrong: Suppose that 30 years ago there were exactly 45 professional opera companies that went bust at some point thereafter. If so, then over the last 30 years there’s been no net gain in the number of companies that could support the notion of greater audience enthusiasm for opera. (The defunct 45 would just have been supplanted by the new 45.) Indeed, if things were worse, if 46 or 48 or 50 or more vintage companies have gone belly-up, that would represent a net loss of North American opera in the decades when the author claims that opera’s popularity has exploded! No, for the argument’s arithmetic to support the conclusion about audiences, (B) has to be true as written; over the last three decades there have to have been fewer companies dying than were born.

That’s the necessary assumption, as shown by the Kaplan Denial Test. Of the remaining choices:

(C) Theater, orchestral music, and ballet are outside the scope.

(D) Larger audiences might be read as a sign of greater public interest in opera, but they’re not necessary for this argument to work, since this argument draws its conclusion from the number of new companies, not from their overall health.

(E) asserts that the 45 new companies were all founded on the potential audience’s enthusiasm. Not necessarily. Many if not all of them may have been founded simply on the performers’ and impresarios’ desires to create opera, in the hope (rather than the expectation) that audiences would be enthusiastic. (E)’s firm cause-and-effect isn’t an integral part of the author’s logic.

GMATNinja, Could you please share your thought on this question? What is the logic to resolve? It is too complicated. Why answer choice (E) is incorrect?
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