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Would you please give some examples for 4 and 5?
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Would you please give some examples for 4 and 5?


Hi Mahmud6,

Example for Formula No. 4:

Let there are 4 points and out of that 3 are collinear. So we have n = 4, r = 3.

Number of straight lines formed = \(^{4}C_{2} - ~^{3}C_{2} + 1\) = 4.

Please note that we can construct only one line using all the collinear points. That's why we add 1 in the formula.

Refer the attached diagram.

Possible lines are AD, BD, CD, and AC. Consider that A, B, and C are collinear.

Similarly, you can construct an example for the next formula.

Please refer DS Q73 from OG 16
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A little error here.

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Example 4 :- Out of 2 Women and 5 Men, a committee of 3 is to be formed. In how many ways can it be formed if at least one woman is to be included?

A Committee can be formed in the following ways

1 woman AND 2 men OR 2 women AND 1 man

2C1 X 5C2 + 2C2 X 5C1 = 20 + 5 = 25


The answer is 30, not 25. Overall, excellent post. Thank you!
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ash8891 wrote:
A little error here.

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Example 4 :- Out of 2 Women and 5 Men, a committee of 3 is to be formed. In how many ways can it be formed if at least one woman is to be included?

A Committee can be formed in the following ways

1 woman AND 2 men OR 2 women AND 1 man

2C1 X 5C2 + 2C2 X 5C1 = 20 + 5 = 25


The answer is 30, not 25. Overall, excellent post. Thank you!


Thank you. Fixed that.
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Hello:

Can someone explain where the (100 + 101 + 102 + 103) comes from in the explanation below?


Example 4 :- Find the sum of all the numbers that can be formed with the digits 2, 3, 4, and 5 taken all at a time.

By other Way

(2 + 3 + 4 + 5) 3! = 84 -------------> 84 (100 + 101 + 102 + 103) = 93324
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Hi

I always get confused with P&C questions. This thread did clear some of my confusion, I still couldn't figure out when to use Permutation and when to use combination.

The example 5 used by Narenn to explain combinations clearly asked for arrangements but we solved it using combinations.

I understand the difference between them is just whether the order matters or not. I usually get confused with the below question types

>>>a. If there are 45 basket ball players in a colony and on a republic day every basketball player posts a greeting card to all the players, then how many greetings cards were posted?

Ans: 45P2 = 45*44 = 1980

>>>b. In a class of 40 students, each student plays chess with the other. How many chess games were played?

Ans: 40C2 = (40*39)/(2*1) = 780

Can someone please clarify?

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I always get confused with P&C questions. This thread did clear some of my confusion, I still couldn't figure out when to use Permutation and when to use combination.

The example 5 used by Narenn to explain combinations clearly asked for arrangements but we solved it using combinations.

I understand the difference between them is just whether the order matters or not. I usually get confused with the below question types

>>>a. If there are 45 basket ball players in a colony and on a republic day every basketball player posts a greeting card to all the players, then how many greetings cards were posted?

Ans: 45P2 = 45*44 = 1980

>>>b. In a class of 40 students, each student plays chess with the other. How many chess games were played?

Ans: 40C2 = (40*39)/(2*1) = 780

Can someone please clarify?

Thanks
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Here two chess players will play only one game regardless of who the 1st player or 2n player is, Basket players will send two different cards to each other depending on who the sender is.

Moral: Always look to see whether chosen things can be interchanged.
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A little error here.

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Example 4 :- Out of 2 Women and 5 Men, a committee of 3 is to be formed. In how many ways can it be formed if at least one woman is to be included?

A Committee can be formed in the following ways

1 woman AND 2 men OR 2 women AND 1 man

2C1 X 5C2 + 2C2 X 5C1 = 20 + 5 = 25


The answer is 30, not 25. Overall, excellent post. Thank you!


I think 25 was the right answer.
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ash8891 wrote:
A little error here.

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Example 4 :- Out of 2 Women and 5 Men, a committee of 3 is to be formed. In how many ways can it be formed if at least one woman is to be included?

A Committee can be formed in the following ways

1 woman AND 2 men OR 2 women AND 1 man

2C1 X 5C2 + 2C2 X 5C1 = 20 + 5 = 25


The answer is 30, not 25. Overall, excellent post. Thank you!


Thank you. Fixed that.


25 seems to be the right Answer.
2C2 X 5C1 = 5
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Bunuel can you help me understand this problem mechanically? I am having a hard time.
My approach is we have 6 places for 5 objects:
1 st place can take any of those 5.
2nd place can take any of those 4......
5th place ................................1(we have completed the condition of atleast 1. Now,
6th place ................................5.
Therefore total ways = 5! x 5 =600

Where am I faultering? Please help.
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Example 5 :- There are 6 periods in each working day of a school. In how many ways can one arrange 5 subjects such that each subject is allowed at least one period?

5 periods can be arranged in 6 periods in 6P5 ways. Now one period is left and it can be allotted to any one of the 5 subjects. So number of ways in which remaining one period can be arranged is 5.
Total Number of arrangements = 6P5 X 5 = 3600



Also, there is a slight mistake, the answer would be 25. Please check again. Thanks

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Example 4 :- Out of 2 Women and 5 Men, a committee of 3 is to be formed. In how many ways can it be formed if at least one woman is to be included?

A Committee can be formed in the following ways

1 woman AND 2 men OR 2 women AND 1 man

2C1 X 5C2 + 2C2 X 5C1 = 20 + 10 = 30
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How many words can be formed with all the letters of the word "DIRECTOR" so that D sits in the first but R never sits in the last place?
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Pick 2 balls from 3 identical balls .
Yes the answer is 1

What if we express it in nCr fom

In case, pick r balls from n balls is nCr
if n balls are identical and we are picking r balls
the expression would be = n!/r!(n-r)!. We need to divide by n or n! or n-r)!


Can you help me to decipher the meaning of the mathematical expression when we pick r balls from n identical balls
( e.g. pick 2 balls from 5 identical = the calculation by formula would be = 5!/2!3! need to be divided by 5*2 to get answer 1.
what is the meaning of this 5*2

please help to understand chetan2u IanStewart
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Pick 2 balls from 3 identical balls .
Yes the answer is 1

What if we express it in nCr fom

In case, pick r balls from n balls is nCr
if n balls are identical and we are picking r balls
the expression would be = n!/r!(n-r)!. We need to divide by n or n! or n-r)!


Can you help me to decipher the meaning of the mathematical expression when we pick r balls from n identical balls
( e.g. pick 2 balls from 5 identical = the calculation by formula would be = 5!/2!3! need to be divided by 5*2 to get answer 1.
what is the meaning of this 5*2

please help to understand chetan2u IanStewart



I would not take it as 5*2 but as 10. Since all the groups are similar, so we would divide the answer by number of groups which will lead to 1.
This is so because you may find the number of groups from nCr, but then all groups are same. So divide by number of groups.
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Pick 2 balls from 3 identical balls .
Yes the answer is 1


What is the question? I can't imagine the GMAT would ask something like "if you pick two marbles from three identical marbles, how many different sets of marbles could you end up with?" since the answer is obviously one. That's a question you should use logic to answer; it's certainly not a question you should be attempting to answer by plugging into a formula.

And I would not generally recommend learning counting ("combinatorics") by memorizing formulas and plugging into them. That's not the skill GMAT counting problems are testing. You might find that approach works on lower level questions, but on higher level questions, the GMAT is testing if you understand counting concepts: do you know when to multiply choices, do you know how to identify all the relevant cases, do you know how to tell when order does not matter, do you know how to adjust your answer when order does not matter.
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Narenn wrote:
Example 4 :- In how many ways can 3 prizes be distributed among 4 boys, when

ii) A boy may get any number of prizes ?


This example doesnt have a correct answer. Three prices can be distributed among four boys in 6C3 ways, according to the formula (n+r-1)C(r-1) posted by Bunuel here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-many-pos ... 85291.html

The given answer of 64 just doesnt make sense. It is too high. The correct answer must be 20.


Edit: Well, I mean if the prizes are considered identical. If not, then I guess you are on the right track. But then shouldn't this example be in the "arrangements" section?
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