angelfire213 wrote:
The bolding is mine.
See, you can't caveat things by saying, all x people are y except you x people in front of me. Do you know most minority candidates to yale? Can you say you even know up to a third of them. Did you speak to them about their motivations in applying to Yale? So how in the world do you feel comfortable making a statement like that. It boggles my mind and that's all I'm going to say about that.
I'm sure there's a ton of candidates that apply to H/S/W because of the name but I would not presume to give a percentage of folks that do that much less categorize them by race/country/gender or whatever, unless maybe I was an admissions officer at H/S/W and had spent a good number of years reading essays and had something to back up my point.
I don't know - i never realized how many people had this type of thinking till I came to the forums and I can say it's probably good for me to know now because I might end up in school and not realized people were thinking things like this.
amj643 wrote:
I agree, wholeheartedly, with @UrbanPrep's assessment. I don't know that applying to more than 3 schools makes a difference, but I definitely think that more upfront research should be done to know what schools are best for an applicant.
And like I mentioned further up-forum, Yale sent out their interview invites a while ago. Competition was fierce, especially among minority candidates (many of whom didn't do their research for fit but know that Yale is an Ivy League business school on the come-up - NOT IMPLYING ANYONE ON THIS FORUM IS THAT TYPE OF CANDIDATE), so it was going to be tough to get in this year, no matter what.
That said, while the schools should NOT see the rankings (it is a terribly inefficient system), it does make a difference for yield, which affects the rankings, and the schools know that. So it always behooves an applicant to rank schools according to the ones they most want to attend. The rankings system is simply the price we pay in exchange for the opportunity to potentially go to school for free/nearly free.
I don't know what could be so "mind boggling" about my statement. If there is anything I've learned about this process, it is to NOT give too much credence to how people "feel" about this process and give acknowledgement to the things I KNOW to be true. If you "feel" bothered by my statements, let's check into whether or not what I'm saying is correct, shall we?
Example 1: I mentioned that the draft was like March 10th, per my research, experience in this process and previous year's forums. That was correct.
Example 2: I said that most SOM invites went out and I know several (the definition of several is 4 or more, btw) people who got invites this year, and that unfortunately, most people who still hadn't gotten an interview invite could reasonably expect a ding. I was told that was hearsay or "friend of a friend" chitter chatter. Hmmm...Again, I was correct.
My point in defending my positions is that I don't say things unless I know them to be true to a reasonable doubt. MOST APPLICANTS, IRRESPECTIVE OF ETHNICITY, DO NOT DO THEIR RESEARCH IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING TO BSCHOOL. And I mean real, hard, digging down to the ground research. Fact. How on earth do you think there are so many applicants every year to business school, and it's so competitive to get into schools? Because if everyone spent the time to learn this game, really, really well, there wouldn't be folks applying to bschool fresh out of college to schools that require two years of work experience, or folks who want to be high powered Management Consultants post-MBA spending time applying to schools like Georgetown and Emory...THOSE ARE NOT THE BEST SCHOOLS THAT CHURN OUT HIGH POWERED MANAGEMENT CONSULTANTS!
It sounds like
lazyboy above made a good case for himself at Yale - he knew exactly what they were looking for and he took a shot. But that's because research was done on his part to discern who Yale normally takes. It didn't work out this time, but that is the type of research that needs to be done. The same goes for me: I threw in an app to Cornell, knowing I didn't match the archetypal student they usually admit. As a result, I wasn't upset when they didn't admit me...I knew well and good what I was doing when I applied there, and I took a chance. But it was a well informed one.
I think the knowledge we have all gained from doing our research lends itself to forgetting that we're in a privileged position - most folks don't know the stuff about the process that we know. Most folks aren't on these chat forums or in attendance at bschool diversity days or CGSM MAPS events or Toigo or Forte events. Most people are not members of MLT or other MBA prep groups. Most folks don't live in large metropolitan cities that turn out MBA candidates year after year (like those of us who live in NYC or Philly or Boston. What about the folks in Denver and Columbus and Milwaukee? Do they not exist?! And can we not acknowledge that they might not have the same access to bschool education that others have?) You've got folks on this forum asking "What is OP?" but promptly submitting apps through the Consortium anyway. Like, for real???? How quickly you've forgotten that not everyone is as well informed as you when it comes to this process. And that must be why it is so "mind boggling" to you that I can make a statement referencing the vast majority of applicants in this process, all of which you've seemingly forgotten about. I, however, have not.
POINT BLANK: I am well aware that there are lots of people who don't know what we know about this process. I don't have hard numbers, which is why I don't give percentages or, well, hard numbers (yet another thing you've failed to notice in my posts.) If you don't like my assertions about the process, it is all good, yo...ignore them. For real. IGNORE THEM. But next time, also be sure to point out WHEN I'M WRONG when you do. Checking my stats...not to be cocky, but I haven't been wrong yet.
26 Feb 2015, 12:46
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