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manpreetsingh86 wrote:
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Is Z an integer?
(1) Z^3 is an integer
(2) 3Z is an integer



Below is a number plugin approach but wanted to know an algebra approach for the same. Please help.

Statement 1:
if z^3 is a PERFECT CUBE, such as 1, 8, or 27, then z will be an integer.
if z^3 is NOT a perfect cube, such as 2, 3, 4, etc., then z will NOT be an integer.
therefore, INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:
if Z = 5/3 then 3 (5/3) is an integer bur Z is not an integer. Hence insufficient.

Combining 1 & 2:
Consider all the numbers that satisfy statement (2):
1/3, 2/3, 1, 4/3, 5/3, 2, etc. of these, the only ones that satisfy statement (1) as well are 1, 2, 3, ...
(all the fractional ones will still be fractions when you cube them)
since these – the numbers that satisfy BOTH statements – are all integers, Z is an Integer.
Hence answer is C
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Hi, plugin approach is the best way to solve this question, but let's just look at the algebraic approach as well.

st.1
z^3= I, here I is an integer and can take both positive as well as negative values.

z= (I)^1/3
now z can be integer depending upon the value of I. if I = -3, then z = (-3)^1/3, which is clearly not an integer. if I =8, then (8)^1/3 =2, which is an integer. hence st. 1 alone is not sufficient

st.2
3z = k, here k is an integer, which can take both positive as well as negative values.
z = k/3
now depending upon the value of k, z can either integral or non-integral values.
e.g. if k=5 then z is not an integer
if k=-3, then z is an integer.

st.1 + st.2

z= (I)^1/3
z= k/3
therefore we have (I)^1/3 = k/3
3(I)^1/3 = k
right hand side = k which is an integer. therefore left hand side must also be an integer. i.e.3(I)^1/3 must be an integer. which is possible only if (I)^1/3 is an integer.
if (I)^1/3 is an integer, then z is also an integer.

hence z is an integer.

therefore C.




I did not get the third part
when you say, 3(I)^1/3 must be an integer. which is possible only if (I)^1/3 is an integer.

Now the statement 2 says 3k = I where I is integer so k should be an integer from the above rule. Could you please clarify.

Thanks :)
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I did not get the third part
when you say, 3(I)^1/3 must be an integer. which is possible only if (I)^1/3 is an integer.

Now the statement 2 says 3k = Iwhere I is integer so k should be an integer from the above rule. Could you please clarify.

Thanks :)
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hi, the highlighted portion is wrong. statement 2 says 3'z' = k.

3(I)^1/3= integer[(3)] multiplied by some irrational number [(I)^1/3]. if we can turn this irrational number to integer, then the whole expression becomes integer. Which is possible only if I is an integer.

P.S. : you can also follow bunuel's solution as well.
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manpreetsingh86 wrote:

I did not get the third part
when you say, 3(I)^1/3 must be an integer. which is possible only if (I)^1/3 is an integer.

Now the statement 2 says 3k = Iwhere I is integer so k should be an integer from the above rule. Could you please clarify.

Thanks :)
Manish[/quote]

hi, the highlighted portion is wrong. statement 2 says 3'z' = k.

3(I)^1/3= integer[(3)] multiplied by some irrational number [(I)^1/3]. if we can turn this irrational number to integer, then the whole expression becomes integer. Which is possible only if I is an integer.

P.S. : you can also follow bunuel's solution as well.[/quote]


Perfect, Thank you and Bunuel for prompt replies :)
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Re: Is Z an integer? [#permalink]
Bunuel wrote:
mash7777 wrote:
AjChakravarthy wrote:
Is Z an integer?
(1) Z^3 is an integer
(2) 3Z is an integer



Below is a number plugin approach but wanted to know an algebra approach for the same. Please help.

Statement 1:
if z^3 is a PERFECT CUBE, such as 1, 8, or 27, then z will be an integer.
if z^3 is NOT a perfect cube, such as 2, 3, 4, etc., then z will NOT be an integer.
therefore, INSUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:
if Z = 5/3 then 3 (5/3) is an integer bur Z is not an integer. Hence insufficient.

Combining 1 & 2:
Consider all the numbers that satisfy statement (2):
1/3, 2/3, 1, 4/3, 5/3, 2, etc. of these, the only ones that satisfy statement (1) as well are 1, 2, 3, ...
(all the fractional ones will still be fractions when you cube them)
since these – the numbers that satisfy BOTH statements – are all integers, Z is an Integer.
Hence answer is C
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Hi, plugin approach is the best way to solve this question, but let's just look at the algebraic approach as well.

st.1
z^3= I, here I is an integer and can take both positive as well as negative values.

z= (I)^1/3
now z can be integer depending upon the value of I. if I = -3, then z = (-3)^1/3, which is clearly not an integer. if I =8, then (8)^1/3 =2, which is an integer. hence st. 1 alone is not sufficient

st.2
3z = k, here k is an integer, which can take both positive as well as negative values.
z = k/3
now depending upon the value of k, z can either integral or non-integral values.
e.g. if k=5 then z is not an integer
if k=-3, then z is an integer.

st.1 + st.2

z= (I)^1/3
z= k/3
therefore we have (I)^1/3 = k/3
3(I)^1/3 = k
right hand side = k which is an integer. therefore left hand side must also be an integer. i.e.3(I)^1/3 must be an integer. which is possible only if (I)^1/3 is an integer.
if (I)^1/3 is an integer, then z is also an integer.

hence z is an integer.

therefore C.




I did not get the third part
when you say, 3(I)^1/3 must be an integer. which is possible only if (I)^1/3 is an integer.

Now the statement 2 says 3k = I where I is integer so k should be an integer from the above rule. Could you please clarify.

Thanks :)
Manish

Is Z an integer?

(1) Z^3 is an integer --> z can be any integer or an irrational number, cube root from an integer, for example, \(\sqrt[3]{2}\). Not sufficient.

(2) 3Z is an integer --> z can be any integer or reduced fraction, integer/3 (2/3, 4/3, 5/3, ...). Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) Since an irrational number cannot equal to integer/3 (rational number), then z must be an integer. Sufficient.

Answer: C.



Hi Bunuel,

For some reasons I fail to understand how to combine the two statements in this one. I understand why statement A and B are not sufficient individually however cannot see how to combine them and get C as answer.

You mentioned that since an irrational number cannot equal to integer/3 - could you please explain this further. I know irrational numbers are numbers in surds.

I will be very thankful to you.
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Hi Bunuel,

For some reasons I fail to understand how to combine the two statements in this one. I understand why statement A and B are not sufficient individually however cannot see how to combine them and get C as answer.

You mentioned that since an irrational number cannot equal to integer/3 - could you please explain this further. I know irrational numbers are numbers in surds.

I will be very thankful to you.


From (1) z is either an integer or an irrational number.
From (2) z is either an integer or a rational number.

(1)+(2) To satisfy both statements z must be an integer.

Hope it's clear.
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Bunuel wrote:
gmatkiller88 wrote:
Hi Bunuel,

For some reasons I fail to understand how to combine the two statements in this one. I understand why statement A and B are not sufficient individually however cannot see how to combine them and get C as answer.

You mentioned that since an irrational number cannot equal to integer/3 - could you please explain this further. I know irrational numbers are numbers in surds.

I will be very thankful to you.


From (1) z is either an integer or an irrational number.
From (2) z is either an integer or a rational number.

(1)+(2) To satisfy both statements z must be an integer.

Hope it's clear.


Thanks a ton Bunuel. You are a rockstar :)
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