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An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts such that the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000. Their average monthly salary is $7000 above the lowest salary while the median monthly salary is only $5000 above the lowest salary. What is the minimum value of N?

(A) 10
(B) 12
(C) 14
(D) 15
(E) 20

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let s take lowest salary to be 1000.
therefore highest is 11000 ( because range = highest - lowest).
median is 6000.(lowest +5000)


now we need to minimize N and we know that avg is(1000+7000) 8000, which is above the median (6000).
to get the mean to 8000 we ll have to maxmize the salaries of the ppl above the mean. but max we can take is 11000.
at the same time maximize salaries of people below the median therefore , max we can take is 6000.
now we have values of 3(1000+6000+11000) people which totals 18000. thus avg is 6000 as of now .
now we ll start adding 2 ppl at a time , one with sal above the mean and one with below. therefore 6000+11000=17000
so now for 5 people the avg is (17000+18000)/5=7000. so this way we see the avg is moving up towards 8000. similarly we keep adding 2 ppl and by the time we cross 15 ppl the avg crosses 8000.
hence IMO the ans is D.

Originally posted by Yash12345 on 07 Apr 2015, 11:15.
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Okay i need an advise...
the median value is $5000, doesnt this shows that the number of experts must be some Odd number (answer choice D)..?
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Hi sananoor,

When a set has an EVEN number of values, the median is equal to the AVERAGE of the two 'middle terms.' As such it can still be an integer.

Here are some examples:

{5, 5, 5, 5} --> the median is 5

{4, 6, 8, 9} --> the median is 7

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An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts such that the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000. Their average monthly salary is $7000 above the lowest salary while the median monthly salary is only $5000 above the lowest salary. What is the minimum value of N?

Let the lowest/first no is L.
Max will be 10000+L, Median will be L+5000.
L................L+5000...............L+10000 =====> Mean = (7000+L)

......(N-1)/2 nos....1(i.e. L+5000).........(N-1)/2 Nos..... In total N nos

The nos between L and (L+5000) are assumed to be same as (L+5000) while the numbers between (L+5000) and (L+10000) are assumed to be (10000+L).
I have taken (L+5000) and (L+10000) as the mean is 7000+L which may be achieved only if such values are taken.

Sum = N*Mean
L +{(N-3)/2}*(L+5000) +(L+5000) +{(N-1)/2}*(L+10000) = N*(L+7000)
Solving we get N = 15. Rest all cancels out.


Hence D
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Hi VeritasPrepKarishma .
Could you check would my reasoning be correct, If the questiion was the original one. I want to check this concept on a similar problem. So here is the old version: An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts. Their average monthly salary is $7000 while the median monthly salary is only $5000. If the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000, what is the minimum value of N? (so there is no condition saying that mean is 7000 above lowest salary)

Here is how I would do it: Start with 3000, 5000, 13000, try to get N>10 and keep mean at 7000 and mode at 5000(If I am right starting with mean 7000 minimizes number of additions needed to be done - I want to contrast this with starting with 0, 5000, 10000).
We want to add the least number of elements possible, so in each step we add 13000 (+6000) and offset it with adding 5000 three times (-2000,-2000,-2000) to keep the median. So each step adds minimum 4 members.
Therefore, we would have 3, 7, 11, 15... members after each addition, and 11 is lowest number greater than 10 that satisfies initial conditions.

Is my thinking right here?
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kivalo wrote:
Hi VeritasPrepKarishma .
Could you check would my reasoning be correct, If the questiion was the original one. I want to check this concept on a similar problem. So here is the old version: An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts. Their average monthly salary is $7000 while the median monthly salary is only $5000. If the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000, what is the minimum value of N? (so there is no condition saying that mean is 7000 above lowest salary)

Here is how I would do it: Start with 3000, 5000, 13000, try to get N>10 and keep mean at 7000 and mode at 5000(If I am right starting with mean 7000 minimizes number of additions needed to be done - I want to contrast this with starting with 0, 5000, 10000).
We want to add the least number of elements possible, so in each step we add 13000 (+6000) and offset it with adding 5000 three times (-2000,-2000,-2000) to keep the median. So each step adds minimum 4 members.
Therefore, we would have 3, 7, 11, 15... members after each addition, and 11 is lowest number greater than 10 that satisfies initial conditions.

Is my thinking right here?



In case your mean and median are not with reference to the lowest value, then 3000, 5000, 13000 is a case that satisfies all conditions. Why would you want N to be greater than 10?
N certainly cannot be 1 and 2 (with 2 elements, mean = median)
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kivalo wrote:
Hi VeritasPrepKarishma .
Could you check would my reasoning be correct, If the questiion was the original one. I want to check this concept on a similar problem. So here is the old version: An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts. Their average monthly salary is $7000 while the median monthly salary is only $5000. If the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000, what is the minimum value of N? (so there is no condition saying that mean is 7000 above lowest salary)

Here is how I would do it: Start with 3000, 5000, 13000, try to get N>10 and keep mean at 7000 and mode at 5000(If I am right starting with mean 7000 minimizes number of additions needed to be done - I want to contrast this with starting with 0, 5000, 10000).
We want to add the least number of elements possible, so in each step we add 13000 (+6000) and offset it with adding 5000 three times (-2000,-2000,-2000) to keep the median. So each step adds minimum 4 members.
Therefore, we would have 3, 7, 11, 15... members after each addition, and 11 is lowest number greater than 10 that satisfies initial conditions.

Is my thinking right here?



In case your mean and median are not with reference to the lowest value, then 3000, 5000, 13000 is a case that satisfies all conditions. Why would you want N to be greater than 10?
N certainly cannot be 1 and 2 (with 2 elements, mean = median)


No particular reasons, the older version of the question from this topic that I found had all the answer choices greater than 10, even though N is minimized when n = 3 (probably that's why wording is now changed). I just wanted to check whether I would be able to make n>10 anyway, to practice this concept (I wasn't able to ind similar questions).
Thank you for replying!
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Hello Ian, MathRevolution,

Is there any easier way to do this question. I couldn't understand above mentioned approaches. Could you please help me here.

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The information we're given is purely based on distances, so our actual numbers don't matter. So we can assume the smallest salary is $0, and then the largest must be $10,000, because of the range. If that were our set, we'd get a median of $5000, but our mean wouldn't be large enough (our mean needs to be $7000). So we need to add elements that will raise the mean without changing the median. We want to add as few elements as possible, and since the mean is based on the sum of our values, we want to add values that are as large as possible.

Roughly half the values in a list are less than or equal to the median, so we'll want all of those values to be $5000, so they can be as large as possible. Roughly half the values are greater than or equal to the median, so we'll want to make all of those $10,000, so they can be as large as possible. So our list will look like this, if we're trying to maximize our mean with the fewest possible elements:

0, 5000, 5000, 5000, ...., 5000, 10000, 10000, 10000, ... 10000

Say we have n values equal to 5000. Then if the list has an odd number of values, for the median to be 5000 we can have at most n values equal to 10,000, and one value equal to zero. So using as many 10,000s as we can, the sum of the list is 5000n + 10,000n, and the list will have 2n+1 values in total. Since the mean is equal to 7000, we have

(5000n + 10,000n)/(2n + 1) = 7000
5000n + 10,000n = 14,000n + 7000
1000n = 7000
n = 7

and since we have 2n + 1 values in the list, 2(7) + 1 = 15 is the smallest number of values we can have.

I assumed we had an odd number of values, but it's harder to make the mean large with an even number of values, because you need to include an extra 5000 in the middle of the set, which drags the mean down. Of course, if one wanted to confirm that, one could try making a set with 14 values (one zero, seven 5000s, and six 10,000s) to confirm you don't get a mean as large as 7000.

It's not a question I'd worry about too much though.
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take lowest = 0
median= 5000
average= 7000
highest possible = 10000

0---------------5000------7000-------10000

for any set if average is greater than median, the observation greater than median should be high enough or equal to greatest observation, to make average greater than median, and to restrict the greatest possible value (as in this case it is restricted by range) observation below median should be equal to median value.

now from answer choice
A, n-10
2x median = 5th+6th = 10000
lowest = 0, 2nd=3rd=4th = 5000
total of 6 values = 25000
balance = 10x7000 - 25000 = 45000,
greatest possible value = 45000/4= 11250... not possible as it is >10000

lets try option C, N=14
2xmedian = 7th + 8th=10000
lowest=0, 2nd to 6th all values=5000
total upto 8 values= 35000
balance = 14x7000-35000=63000
greatest possible = 63000/6= 10500... >10000 not possible

Try with option D, N=15
greatest possible values is {15x7000-(0+7x5000)}/7 = 10000.. possible

answer option D
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An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts such that the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000. Their average monthly salary is $7000 above the lowest salary while the median monthly salary is only $5000 above the lowest salary. What is the minimum value of N?

(A) 10
(B) 12
(C) 14
(D) 15
(E) 20


Let's start with a really basic case to start seeing how things work.

If there were only three employees, we could make them 0, 5000, and 10000. That settles our range and median, but our mean is too low. Okay, we need to add at least one more employee over 7000, which means we will need to add one more employee at or below the median. Let's go with 0, 5000, 5000, 10000, 10000. That's a total of 30000 with 5 employees, so the mean is 6000. Still too low. We can add two more employees...yadda yadda yadda...every time we add two employees, the number of employees will still be odd. Only one answer choice is odd.

Answer choice D.
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the range of the set is 10000.

So 0..........10000

median is given as 5000 greater than lowest value

So 0.........5000..........10000

mean is given as 7000. If we calculate the mean of the existing 3 values(0+5000+10000/3 = 5000)
so each of three values should increase by 2000(2000*3=6000) in order for the mean to become 7000.

Since the median is 5000 we should add value to both the sides of 5000.
We cannot just add on one side. If so median will not be 5000. In order to maximize the value added(this is because we need to make the mean as 7000 for the first three numbers), we have to choose largest value in btw 0 to 5000 and in btw 5000 to 10000, which is 5000,10000.

0.....5000,5000.......10000,10000

each time we add pair of 10000,5000. we are adding 15000 which is 7500*2. So totally they are having 500*2=1000 extra than the required mean(7000). This 1000 can be added to the first three values(0,5000,10000) in order to make their mean 7000. Earlier we had found that those three values should increase by 6000 inorder for to get 7000 as mean. So total of 6 pairs or 6*2=12 numbers should be added for mean to become 7000. Now the total number is 12+3=15
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Vinayprajapati wrote:
An automated manufacturing unit employs N experts such that the range of their monthly salaries is $10,000. Their average monthly salary is $7000 above the lowest salary while the median monthly salary is only $5000 above the lowest salary. What is the minimum value of N?

Let the lowest/first no is L.
Max will be 10000+L, Median will be L+5000.
L................L+5000...............L+10000 =====> Mean = (7000+L)

......(N-1)/2 nos....1(i.e. L+5000).........(N-1)/2 Nos..... In total N nos

The nos between L and (L+5000) are assumed to be same as (L+5000) while the numbers between (L+5000) and (L+10000) are assumed to be (10000+L).
I have taken (L+5000) and (L+10000) as the mean is 7000+L which may be achieved only if such values are taken.

Sum = N*Mean
L +{(N-3)/2}*(L+5000) +(L+5000) +{(N-1)/2}*(L+10000) = N*(L+7000)
Solving we get N = 15. Rest all cancels out.


Hence D


Doesn't this approach be valid only if N is odd?

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